JHS
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Very well said. That's exactly what Trump is doing. He just cannot make a decision on anything and stick with it.
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lexxnchloe
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Total and complete victory for Iran
According to Amit Segal, discussions between the U.S. and Iran are centering on a possible framework — not yet finalized:• 15-year suspension of uranium enrichment• Conversion of uranium into fuel (remaining inside Iran)• Full inspections of nuclear sites• Reopening of the Strait of Hormuz• End of the war + U.S. withdrawal from the Gulf• Lifting of economic sanctions
Point1-Wasnt it 10 years under Obama? In any case Iran will ignore it
Point2-Remaining in Iran? Of course they will ignore whatever that converting it into fuel means
Point3-Full inspections? By who? Will Iran just show inspectors what Iran wants to show? Meaningless
Point4-The strait was open before the war
Point5- The war ended the second the ceasefire was announced. Big win for Iran
Point6-US withdrawal is another huge Iranian win
Point7-Im sure that includes big payments to Iran as well. Huge win for Iran
What about the executions? Why did we even do all this bombing? No mention of Iran funding and training Hamas and Hezbollah?
So, lets see. The 2 greatest militaries on earth bombed Iran for 40 days and nights and all we ended up with is a warmed over Obama deal? Trump has now stabbed the murdered protestors in the back for a third time in a year. Not only Did Iran's murderous regime survive, Trump had guaranteed it will thrive and execute many more.
According to Amit Segal, discussions between the U.S. and Iran are centering on a possible framework — not yet finalized:• 15-year suspension of uranium enrichment• Conversion of uranium into fuel (remaining inside Iran)• Full inspections of nuclear sites• Reopening of the Strait of Hormuz• End of the war + U.S. withdrawal from the Gulf• Lifting of economic sanctions
Point1-Wasnt it 10 years under Obama? In any case Iran will ignore it
Point2-Remaining in Iran? Of course they will ignore whatever that converting it into fuel means
Point3-Full inspections? By who? Will Iran just show inspectors what Iran wants to show? Meaningless
Point4-The strait was open before the war
Point5- The war ended the second the ceasefire was announced. Big win for Iran
Point6-US withdrawal is another huge Iranian win
Point7-Im sure that includes big payments to Iran as well. Huge win for Iran
What about the executions? Why did we even do all this bombing? No mention of Iran funding and training Hamas and Hezbollah?
So, lets see. The 2 greatest militaries on earth bombed Iran for 40 days and nights and all we ended up with is a warmed over Obama deal? Trump has now stabbed the murdered protestors in the back for a third time in a year. Not only Did Iran's murderous regime survive, Trump had guaranteed it will thrive and execute many more.
lexxnchloe
Member
Just an incredible victory for Iran. This guy in the video makes a great point about the idiot lifting the sanctions. The whole point of the war was to achieve regime change and the sanctions and naval blockade would have produced that, but now not only will Iran susvive, it will thrive. What an idiot.
And why do i believe these will be the terms? Because Vance is leading the deal and Trump has 1 eye on the markets, and one eye on the mid-terms and he has told the Iranian people to rot in hell under an even more murderous time
Something to watch. An important caveat is Iran now lacks reactor fuel manufacturing capabilities after the June strikes on Esfahan. Who would dilute and manufacture fuel from the enriched uranium stockpiles? It would be a grave mistake for the U.S. to cave on a permanent ban on enrichment — down further from 20 years in this report — leaving the problem to the next generation, who might not prioritize lengthening a ban. In addition, if Iran can throughout the moratorium maintain centrifuge stockpiles, manufacturing capabilities, and enrichment plants — such as potentially Pickaxe Mtn — it could simply wait out Trump’s term, break the deal, and resume enrichment. All of these assets must be verifiably and permanently dismantled, alongside a full-access, long-term
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investigation, to ensure Iran’s nuclear weapons program is fully accounted for and ended.
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-Stimson Center breakdown of the Iranian capabilities that remained as of December: https://fdd.org/analysis/2025/12/17/post-strike-assessment-u-s-and-israeli-strikes-caused-major-bottlenecks-in-irans-nuclear-weapons-supply-chain/
lexxnchloe
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If only this was the policy for another 2 months. Then we would win. Its all going to be given away by Vance tomorrow.
It appears it would get things to fairly close to slightly better than they were prior to Trump tearing up the prior deal. I think it’s probably best that this happen due to the supposed upper hand of the mullahs.
lexxnchloe
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Personally, i dont think Iran will wait till the end of Trumps's term to start enriching again. After the midterms dems can just defund whatever they want
lexxnchloe
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Maybe on paper, but in reality Iran will just ignore the whole damn thing anyway and Trump wont do anything about it. Was this outcome worth the price of even 1 American casualty? I dont think so.
lexxnchloe
Member
Trump has chosen option 2
When looking in retrospect about this war, I see how one can say the war wasn’t worth it. But isn’t that water under the bridge? Isn’t it time to move on, look ahead, and end this mess and get oil down to near where it was/keep Dow rising?
lexxnchloe
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They are.
lexxnchloe
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Sure, just wash the protestors blood off our shoes and leave them to more executions. The mess hasnt ended by the way. Iran will get nukes and fund more death and terror. We had total victory in our hands with the blockade and sanctions and flushed it all down the crapper.
JHS
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Of course they'll just ignore it and yes Trump will not lift a finger. All he cares about now is the stock market.
lexxnchloe
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JHS
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100% agree with this. That's exactly how this will go.
lexxnchloe
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Downeastnc
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There is a reason why the US is not putting a fleet of warships in the strait to force it open. Why havent the US just slammed the strait with a few dozen warships to protect traffic in the strait?
lexxnchloe
Member
Thats just rubbing Trump's nose in it. Of course, one has to wonder why we didnt take out Iranian state media. You would think the first step in freeing the people is eliminating the regimes sources of media control.
lexxnchloe
Member
Iran will show up. Here is where they seem dumb. The smart play is for them to NOT show and demand more concessions from Trump.
How is that dumber than at least showing up and demanding more concessions in person? Showing up could give the impression internationally they are willing for a deal, even if they aren't. Maybe they feel not showing up would be worse?
Probably because the damage Iran can inflict upon themselves by firing at their allies is far greater in the long run. I mean Apache gunships or drones could easily despose of any of these little boats but so far they haven't chose to.
But, if Iran has drone and missiles, why aren't they trying to you know, break the blockade constricting their most important export? I mean they did threaten incredible, unprecedented recourse for the hundredth time on the evil axis of the west.
Shaggy
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US needs to be mindful of these intercepts. If Iran could easily set a trap with a cargo ship full of soldiers or draw in a US naval vessel and launch a drone attack off the cargo ship not giving them time to react. Dangerous games being played in the strait.
I'm gonna surmise that the military who was able to go into foreign country, decimate the enemy on their home turf and pluck a downed pilot, probably has the means to avoid a trap from said enemy, but that's just me.
True, I remember how Trump agreed to the $2 million a ship toll.
lexxnchloe
Member
Awesome!!
WAPO saying the ship was likely either full of rocket fuel from China or going to get it. Oops, they not getting it.
I saw that Iran stated they counter attacked "some" US forces with drones. Considering even they aren't praising the damage caused, I wonder if the cardboard cut outs didn't beat the drones.
lexxnchloe
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It was just a face saving response by Iran. They had no intention of hitting anything. If Trump just realized how weak they are and kept the blockade screwed on tight for another month they would collapse.
Maybe he will, after all he has nothing to lose and considering his obsession to be seen as a great peacekeeper/liberator, it's possible.
I say even though I'm not holding my breath.