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Learning Global Warming facts and fiction

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Will Rossman said:
Other than making us engage in self loathing and guilt, what are the reasons that politicians, media figure heads, and activists continually tell us that we're bumping up the thermostat on the Earth? I mean, even if it could be proven, how is this actionable? Regardless of who or what is behind the climate changes, shouldn't we as humans do what we've always done - adapt to the changes?
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We can only adapt so much. A 4C rise in temps would be deadly during the summer for much of the planet outside.


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BHS1975 said:
Yeap global warming can cause extreme snow storms too from the high amplitude pattern. But as temps warm further melting all the Artic ice and warming up the Arctic Ocean dramatically even these types of storms will just be heavy rain storms.


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Man globull warming is amazing , jack of all trades . It causes cold , hot , snow , rain, drought ... all this time I thought it was just good old weather and the sun , sky, and ocean ... turns out it’s globull warming running the show all along! Man wonder if globull warming can help 50 year old men with erectile dysfunction , help Donald trump win the presidency , and help the Panthers come back! Globull warming , putting that on my resume for sure!
 
Rain Cold said:
Follow the money. Just watch the big money and it will lead you to the truth. It really is that simple.
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Yeah they are going to be building there multimillion dollar survival shelters for when the sh*t hits the fan and the rest us suffers and dies.


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Jimmy Hypocracy said:
Let’s pretend AGW is real for a second. The most ridiculous part of the whole thing is the idea that we can control it with tax. But only if we act now. It’s just hard to wrap my giant brain around
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Sounds like a Ponzi scheme lol! Another get rich quick infomercial , or wonderful new revolutionizing product that we can get for the low low price of 399, but only if we act now!
 
NoSnowATL said:
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It’s been warmer and colder in the past.


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I tend to side with this.

I've researched this the harder way and you can crazily enough even seen this if you look deep into the past of your weather stations. If you're in the 70s and 80s, you can see much cooler temps, but if you can reach back to the 50s and maybe even earlier than that, you'll see some warmer years even then. We're just in a warmer period that's going to last a long time. It definitely stinks.

Climate change is real but it's also happened in the past and can be controlled by significant events happening on Earth. It's also a guess of how much of it is is affected by CO2 and man made ways by statistical models though.
 
Lickwx said:
Sounds like a Ponzi scheme lol! Another get rich quick infomercial , or wonderful new revolutionizing product that we can get for the low low price of 399, but only if we act now!
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Sounds like your ignoring the science which has overwhelming evidence that we are causing the warming with carbon emission dwarfing all natural sources at least until the feedbacks take over.


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GeorgiaGirl said:
I tend to side with this.

I've researched this the harder way and you can crazily enough even seen this if you look deep into the past of your weather stations. If you're in the 70s and 80s, you can see much cooler temps, but if you can reach back to the 50s and maybe even earlier than that, you'll see some warmer years even then. We're just in a warmer period that's going to last a long time. It definitely stinks.

Climate change is real but it's also happened in the past and can be controlled by significant events happening on Earth. It's also a guess of how much of it is is affected by CO2 and man made ways by statistical models though.
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Lol it doesn’t have any temps on the y axis.


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Jimmy Hypocracy said:
Let’s pretend AGW is real for a second. The most ridiculous part of the whole thing is the idea that we can control it with tax. But only if we act now. It’s just hard to wrap my giant brain around
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Shhhhhhh! Jimmy, if the government learns about taxing heat.... lookout
 
Believing GW or not doesn't change the fact that the late 90s super nino upset what was a long term base state pattern that favored an eastern trough and reversed height anomalies in many months. Additionally AAM has been generally low for a good part of the time that I have been doing this.

To me we in the SE are in the midst of a warmer decadal cycle regardless of the overall climate that will eventually reverse, again, regardless of climate.

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SD said:
Believing GW or not doesn't change the fact that the late 90s super nino upset what was a long term base state pattern that favored an eastern trough and reversed height anomalies in many months. Additionally AAM has been generally low for a good part of the time that I have been doing this.

To me we in the SE are in the midst of a warmer decadal cycle regardless of the overall climate that will eventually reverse, again, regardless of climate.

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And by the time it does reverse the climate will have warmed enough to cancel any cooling effect and then some.


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BHS1975 said:
And by the time it does reverse the climate will have warmed enough to cancel any cooling effect and then some.


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We get it.... you believe we are all going to die! Now, spend that energy telling us what we can reasonably and affordably do about it.... Do you still fill up your gas tank when it is empty? Do you have a back-up generator at home? How do you heat your home? Do you enjoy the air conditioning while you shop at your local supermarket? How do you cook your meals? All these common comforts leave a carbon footprint.
 
Cad Wedge NC said:
We get it.... you believe we are all going to die! Now, spend that energy telling us what we can reasonably and affordably do about it.... Do you still fill up your gas tank when it is empty? Do you have a back-up generator at home? How do you heat your home? Do you enjoy the air conditioning while you shop at your local supermarket? How do you cook your meals? All these common comforts leave a carbon footprint.
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People can learn to reduce, recycle, reuse. Use less oil, public transportation, renewable fuels, drive less, lower thermostat in winter, raise in summer.
 
Rosie said:
People can learn to reduce, recycle, reuse. Use less oil, public transportation, renewable fuels, drive less, lower thermostat in winter, raise in summer.
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We should individually do the best we can to take care of our world, but the reality is, the world is constructed in such a way that the average person necessarily consumes energy. Until and unless renewable energy is ubiquitous, there is very little that the average person will do that will move the needle all that much. You're simply delusional if you think enough action is going to be undertaken to even slightly make a difference, especially if it really truly is a fact that we are rapidly hurling toward the point of no return. I don't believe that, but many do. And the really sucky thing about it is, if it really is true, then there is absolutely nothing that will keep us from going over the cliff...whatever that really means.

So, if you accept the premise of climate change, then the bottom line is binary: Climate change is natural and we're going to have to adapt, OR climate change is entirely man made and we're going to have to adapt. And that's it.
 
Rain Cold said:
We should individually do the best we can to take care of our world, but the reality is, the world is constructed in such a way that the average person necessarily consumes energy. Until and unless renewable energy is ubiquitous, there is very little that the average person will do that will move the needle all that much. You're simply delusional if you think enough action is going to be undertaken to even slightly make a difference, especially if it really truly is a fact that we are rapidly hurling toward the point of no return. I don't believe that, but many do. And the really sucky thing about it is, if it really is true, then there is absolutely nothing that will keep us from going over the cliff...whatever that really means.

So, if you accept the premise of climate change, then the bottom line is binary: Climate change is natural and we're going to have to adapt, OR climate change is entirely man made and we're going to have to adapt. And that's it.
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That's my thing too are we really going to warm at a linear rate unabated until civilization collapses, do we level off at some point, do we start to trend down? You can believe all of the hypothesis and statistical modeling you want but we don't know what true reaction we will get from the planet over time and maybe there is no reaction and things are just destroyed for good. I often wonder if the continued warming and increased moisture eventually spells the demise of the warming in a self destructive process. If we continue to increase atmospheric moisture do we eventually begin to see more snow at higher latitudes which which eventually begins to rebuild ice/snow cap and you tip the scale? I don't know, maybe I'm not looking into this deep enough

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SD said:
That's my thing too are we really going to warm at a linear rate unabated until civilization collapses, do we level off at some point, do we start to trend down? You can believe all of the hypothesis and statistical modeling you want but we don't know what true reaction we will get from the planet over time and maybe there is no reaction and things are just destroyed for good. I often wonder if the continued warming and increased moisture eventually spells the demise of the warming in a self destructive process. If we continue to increase atmospheric moisture do we eventually begin to see more snow at higher latitudes which which eventually begins to rebuild ice/snow cap and you tip the scale? I don't know, maybe I'm not looking into this deep enough

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That would be a negative feedback which would pale in comparison to all the positive feedbacks kicking in. The only self correction thats going to happen is a collapse of civilization and starting over with what little population is left knowing never to touch fossil fuels again.


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NoSnowATL said:
When? You keep says we are all going to die. How soon if we don’t change our ways?


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We should force everyone to eat Taco Bell 3 meals a day, that should make enough methane to power the planet forever! MAGA! Make America Gassy Again!???
 
NoSnowATL said:
When? You keep says we are all going to die. How soon if we don’t change our ways?


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I have no idea. But if temps blow past 2C its pretty much a certainty as wars and famine and economic collapse destabilize it.


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BHS1975 said:
That would be a negative feedback which would pale in comparison to all the positive feedbacks kicking in. The only self correction thats going to happen is a collapse of civilization and starting over with what little population is left knowing never to touch fossil fuels again.


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So on a percentage basis how much warming is currently man made versus natural variability

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BHS1975 said:
Mother Earth is going to show some tough love.


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We could just convince NASA to deploy an array of solar shades in geostationary orbit between us and the sun. Enough to block out a small percentage of the sun's total incoming energy. That would probably reverse the trend, and it would probably be cheaper than some of the projects they are currently working on.
 
SD said:
So on a percentage basis how much warming is currently man made versus natural variability

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All of it. We would be cooling otherwise.

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BHS1975 said:
I have no idea. But if temps blow past 2C its pretty much a certainty as wars and famine and economic collapse destabilize it.


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And mass migration which is already happening.


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Cad Wedge NC said:
We could just convince NASA to deploy an array of solar shades in geostationary orbit between us and the sun. Enough to block out a small percentage of the sun's total incoming energy. That would probably reverse the trend, and it would probably be cheaper than some of the projects they are currently working on.
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Yeah that would work. Drastic measures is what we need. Once we get the CO2 levels back down then we could take them out of orbit.


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Any advanced civilization is going to have complete control over their planet’s climate. Just like the ones playing cat and mouse with the Navy.


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BHS1975 said:
Yeah that would work. Drastic measures is what we need. Once we get the CO2 levels back down then we could take them out of orbit.


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What would be worse than letting our planet slowly warm? Quickly cooling it of course! Yeah that would totally not destroy weather as we know it.
 
ForsythSnow said:
What would be worse than letting our planet slowly warm? Quickly cooling it of course! Yeah that would totally not destroy weather as we know it.
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I think it’s common knowledge that a warmer earth can support more life than a frozen one. But all of this AGW fear has people thinking the earth will turn into molten lava ??‍♂️
 
SD said:
That's my thing too are we really going to warm at a linear rate unabated until civilization collapses, do we level off at some point, do we start to trend down? You can believe all of the hypothesis and statistical modeling you want but we don't know what true reaction we will get from the planet over time and maybe there is no reaction and things are just destroyed for good. I often wonder if the continued warming and increased moisture eventually spells the demise of the warming in a self destructive process. If we continue to increase atmospheric moisture do we eventually begin to see more snow at higher latitudes which which eventually begins to rebuild ice/snow cap and you tip the scale? I don't know, maybe I'm not looking into this deep enough

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History is replete with declarations, facts, and ideas that have succumbed to better understanding as society has progressed. Extracting blood was a commonplace practice to cure disease. The edge of the earth was the place where only dragons feared to tread. Anybody that can tell you the exact extent to which humans are impacting the planet and the exact long-term outcome of the warming taking place is 100% full of.....
 
The problem is that the Earth is near the inner edge of the Sun’s habitable zone so it wouldn’t take much to push it over the edge into a hothouse state.
 
The good news is for the Earth and not us is that once in a hothouse state the hydrological cycle would go into hyperdrive and pull the CO2 out of the air by the weathering of rocks with carbonic acid and sequestering it in the form of limestone on the ocean floor and in lakes eventually leveling off at about 250ppm.


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BHS1975 said:
I have no idea. But if temps blow past 2C its pretty much a certainty as wars and famine and economic collapse destabilize it.
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Even if this amount of AGW related warming materializes, how do you know famine would increase? Increased CO2 is, by itself, good for plants. Some have suggested that that is responsible for increased greening on a global basis. In addition, a warmer globe means longer growing seasons and the ability to grow crops further north.

Another thing to consider is that extreme cold has supposedly killed more folks than extreme heat.

My point is that not all effects of AGW are/will be bad and famine, itself, may be lessened rather than increased. There are mixed results like with most things. I’m not saying I want it though.
 
GaWx said:
Even if this amount of AGW related warming materializes, how do you know famine would increase? Increased CO2 is, by itself, good for plants. Some have suggested that that is responsible for increased greening on a global basis. In addition, a warmer globe means longer growing seasons and the ability to grow crops further north.

Another thing to consider is that extreme cold has supposedly killed more folks than extreme heat.

My point is that not all effects of AGW are/will be bad and famine, itself, may be lessened rather than increased. There are mixed results like with most things. I’m not saying I want it though.
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You put the nail in the "I just want" coffin, Larry. Such a great post! Thanks! -- Phil
 
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