Man, yall are some typing Martha Fockers. Good discussion.
Big news out of Toyota today the new EV models are coming out years in advanced. Demand is growing.
Better than a giant oil slick.The giant floating solar farms in the ocean look sick
Socratic at the very least ...EV's are bad for biosphere toxicity. Growing contamination of earth, water and air is much more serious than global warming. I expect the debate to take center stage over global warming as it's too late and impractical to reverse the warming. Time to start adapting to the new reality. We can't adapt to toxicity, though. That's why it's more serious.
Things change, and change again, and will do so once more someday ...
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... but not to worry ... we won't be around to witness it ...
"could" ...Did you watch the video? The models are lagging behind observed sea level rise. In other words it could be much higher than expected and rise much quicker.
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"could" ...
Did you watch the video? The models are lagging behind observed sea level rise. In other words it could be much higher than expected and rise much quicker.
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Funny, I just posted same article after reading it onlineJust gonna throw this in here.
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/06/tampering-past-the-tipping-point/
There is tons of evidence of data tampering and sneaky use of averages and starting years to make warming look vastly worse than it may be. This article shows the complete erasing of the Medieval Warm period in recent studies and also just plain data tampering by NASA and the likes. Is this true? We cant really say for sure but it sure looks like it haha.
Hard to believe something when you cant trust the "official" sources of info.
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Not to mention "climate change" is and has been a political topic for years and even more so now. We all know politics is not known for upstanding and correct data lol. Its now the climate agenda rather than trying to understand what is happening to our planet. Its a democrat vs republican argument with both sides desperate to discredit the other. Of course they will find any data they can and not question its accuracy. If it supports them and tears their opponents down they are using it.
Looks like one of Greenland’s glaciers has reversed course and is now gaining mass instead of losing it. Interesting article here.
From this article
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...t-wave-globe-had-its-hottest-june/1628438001/
Climate scientist James Hansen, commenting on the heat wave to CBS News, said that "the chance of those extreme events in the pre-industrialized world was not zero, but it was negligibly small compared to the chance today. So you can say with a very high degree of confidence that this extreme event is a consequence of human-made climate change."
The study hasn’t been peer-reviewed yet, but the group uses methods that are widely considered valid in the scientific community.
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84 in the Artic Circle this summed.All I saw was James Hansen citing his normal talking points with 0 evidence to back up his claim.
Furthermore one of the studies linked said this “Although it is difficult to directly attribute this heat wave to climate change, such extreme weather events are expected to become more common as the planet continues to warm under increasing greenhouse gas concentrations.”
Another said “Most models show considerably different behaviour with respect to the quantitative increase in likelihood and severity, compared to the observations so the confidence in the quantitative modelling results in this study is low, compared with other studies. All models and observations qualitatively agree on a strong human influence in increasing heatwave risk. There is thus high confidence in the sign (increase) of the human contribution to the heatwave risk.”
They used computer models which didn’t even agree with one another on the level of human influence to such a degree they had LOW CONFIDENCE in the results and could only conclude that humans have had some degree of contribution to the heatwave but how little or much is unknown. That’s a big nothingburger especially since computer models time and again have proven to be wildly inaccurate (as we know in winter storms and seasonal forecasts showing a cold winter that never verified for us last year) and in simulating past and future events they can be really bad.
Furthermore you should read the article I posted. This heat wave is a normal weather event, heat waves happen, records are broken. That’s weather. I noticed the articles linked failed to mention the cold that was hammering Eastern Europe, I wonder why?
They fail also to mention the heat island effect which can artificially boost the temperatures in cities in heat waves. A great example was one I shared yesterday. It was 100F in town and as soon as I got a few miles outside the city limits the temp dropped 3 degrees and by the time I got to my house, in the country surrounded by trees and fields, it dropped another 3 degrees. So the city was 6 degrees hotter than my house in the country. Think about it for a minute. When you fill a city with concrete, metal, cars, etc all those surfaces act as a heat sink and boost temperatures in heat waves and at night. NASA did a study and found it can be as much as 20F warmer in cities vs the surrounding urban/rural areas. You think this doesn’t have an effect on our temperature records? It absolutely does, see below.
“The most thorough analysis of the UHI effect on U.S. temperature was by Anthony Watts and co-authors, who analyzed the siting of hundreds of thermometers around the U.S. and showed that if only the best (most rural) sited thermometers are used, U.S. warming trends are roughly cut in half. Curiously, they found that the official NOAA-adjusted temperature data (which uses both urban and rural data) has even more warming than if no UHI adjustments were made, leading many of us to conclude that the NOAA UHI adjustment procedure has made the rural data look like urban, rather than the other way around as it should be.
The bottom line is that record high temperatures occur naturally, with or without climate change, and our ability to identify them has been compromised by spurious warming in most thermometer data which has yet to be properly removed.”
I suppose the heat island effect is causing this too
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84 in the Artic Circle this summed.
Just made a statement, do not think 84 in the Artic is normal for any time.And over thousands, or as some believe millions/billions of years, what is "normal" for temperatures on earth? The Ice Age? The Medieval Warm Period? Something in between like we have now? What exactly is "normal" for earth when looking at the big picture?
It is pretty amazing that despite the relentless much warmer than normal met. falls and winters for a number of years in a row up in the Arctic, clearly symptomatic of GW, the summers have always been pretty much right at normal. It will very likely go back to much warmer than normal by Oct. at the latest.
It is pretty amazing that despite the relentless much warmer than normal met. falls and winters for a number of years in a row up in the Arctic, clearly symptomatic of GW, the summers have always been pretty much right at normal. It will very likely go back to much warmer than normal by Oct. at the latest.
I think the temperatures being capped have to do more with the ice holding them down, it takes an incredible amount of energy to melt ice. Much of this extra energy is going towards that. If we were ever to go ice free in summer you would see a spike in the temperatures for sure.
Just wish, for comaparison purposes, that graph went back a couple hundred years ...UAH Global Temperature Update for June, 2019: +0.47 deg. C anomaly vs 1981-2010 average
"The linear warming trend since January, 1979 remains at +0.13 C/decade. This is 1.3 Deg. C/century"
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/07/uah-global-temperature-update-for-june-2019-0-47-deg-c/
Just when will this happen? They have been predicting an ice free arctic in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019. Sooner or later, they may get it right, perhaps by 2065?Once there is a large area of open water around the pole ie blue ocean event, that will change drastically.
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