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Misc General Banter Thread

Ross said:
is the mason dixon line not good enough for yall? :)

my take (lived in richmond almost 4 years, lived in nc my entire life before that with one year in wv)

richmond is the south. you can't tell me with a straight face that the former capital of the confederacy is not the south. rural southeastern viriginia is culturally an extension of eastern north carolina. central (non richmond) virginia has its own brand of southern culture. richmond averages 10ish inches a year and is climatologically on par with winston salem. i haven't noticed many differences from raleigh outside of getting more low stakes events like yesterday. the majority of what's good for raleigh is what's good for richmond so i'll continue in main threads.

my line is fredericksburg. that's the DMZ. southern in appearance but you can take the metro to dc.

i will grant carveouts- hampton roads north is distinctively tidewater in a way i don't see in NC, and mountain cities (charlottesville, blacksburg) are their own thing.
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Hampton Roads is very military centric. Not truly Southern. Richmond is quickly becoming an extension of Northern Virginia. Most of the transplants in the last few years are from NOVA. I lived in SC for 17 years and SC and VA are very different imo. If you look at the state universities, most of the out of state students are from NJ, NY, PA, and Maryland. You don't find that in the states south of Virginia.
 
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ChrisAMB said:
This really depends on what you mean by southern. Richmond was far more industrialized than elsewhere in the south until around the turn of the 20th century. That alone gives it a certain "look" that has more in common with cities further north. Culturally today I'd still put it and the surrounding area in the south, but it's not the same flavor of south as you'd see in the piedmont of SC or the deep south of Georgia or Alabama.

I've lived and traveled from SC to SE Virgina my entire life. I'd almost draw a rectangle from Florence up I-95 to Richmond and extend as far east as where the sounds begin. Call it coastal plain southeast or whatever. It's not homogenous but it's fairly distinct from areas north, south, east, and west.
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Yeah, Richmond feels wayyy different to me.
 
weather bubba said:
Virginia is still a southern state except for the area near Washington, D.C. in Northern Virginia. Northern Virginia is why this state has turned blue in recent elections and the attitudes are different up there. Northern Virginia is where the Mid Atlantic begins for me at least.
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Richmond is very much trending similarly to Northern Virginia. Charlottesville the same. Winchester is growing very quickly too, and most of the new residents are from Loudoun, Prince William, and Fairfax.
 
JP152 said:
Hampton Roads is very military centric. Not truly Southern. Richmond is quickly becoming an extension of Northern Virginia. Most of the transplants in the last few years are from NOVA. I live in SC for 17 years and SC and VA are very different imo. If you look at the state universities, most of the out of state students are from NJ, NY, PA, and Maryland. You don't find that in the states south of Virginia.
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85% of the student population at Duke University comes from other states, mostly the Northeast and Mid Atlantic. It didn't earn the nickname The University of New Jersey for no reason. Other towns that host a college or university in North Carolina and other Southern states probably have a large influx of students from outside the geographic area where the university or college is located.
 
weather bubba said:
85% of the student population at Duke University comes from other states, mostly the Northeast. It didn't earn the nickname The University of New Jersey for no reason. Other towns that host a college or university in North Carolina and other Southern states probably have a large influx of students from outside the geographic area where the university or college is located.
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I would say Duke and UNC yes, but most other large schools in the South I would definitely say no on those.
 
JP152 said:
Hampton Roads is very military centric. Not truly Southern. Richmond is quickly becoming an extension of Northern Virginia. Most of the transplants in the last few years are from NOVA. I live in SC for 17 years and SC and VA are very different imo. If you look at the state universities, most of the out of state students are from NJ, NY, PA, and Maryland. You don't find that in the states south of Virginia.
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The SC universities are actually going through a bit of a scandal recently because they've admitted so many out of state students vs in state students. Coastal Carolina and USC in particular had New Jersey as the top state recently.

Thing about "southern" though is that it's a lot of things. Arab, Alabama or Monroe, Louisiana feel very unfamiliar to me being born and raised on the coast of NC/SC. They're still southern culturally but a very different type of southern than I grew up with. That's why I said there's more to it than just state lines. The Pee Dee counties of SC (Florence, Marion, Dillon, parts of Horry) are indistinguishable from southeastern and eastern NC and by extension SE Virginia away from the tidewater. Heck we even have the same type of BBQ. Get south of about Sumter or Manning in SC and it starts to look and feel like Georgia. Even the dialect changes to more of that drawl. Update is another largely contiguous cultural area with NE Georgia, SC and piedmont NC.

Hampton Roads is its own thing because it's one big military town. No surprise there. Funny enough you can cruise through the tunnel and you'll hear some VERY southern accents in the delmarva counties of Maryland and southern Delaware. It always felt more like home to me than many other "southern" places further south and west.
 
ChrisAMB said:
The SC universities are actually going through a bit of a scandal recently because they've admitted so many out of state students vs in state students. Coastal Carolina and USC in particular had New Jersey as the top state recently.

Thing about "southern" though is that it's a lot of things. Arab, Alabama or Monroe, Louisiana feel very unfamiliar to me being born and raised on the coast of NC/SC. They're still southern culturally but a very different type of southern than I grew up with. That's why I said there's more to it than just state lines. The Pee Dee counties of SC (Florence, Marion, Dillon, parts of Horry) are indistinguishable from southeastern and eastern NC and by extension SE Virginia away from the tidewater. Heck we even have the same type of BBQ. Get south of about Sumter or Manning in SC and it starts to look and feel like Georgia. Even the dialect changes to more of that drawl. Update is another largely contiguous cultural area with NE Georgia, SC and piedmont NC.

Hampton Roads is its own thing because it's one big military town. No surprise there. Funny enough you can cruise through the tunnel and you'll hear some VERY southern accents in the delmarva counties of Maryland and southern Delaware. It always felt more like home to me than many other "southern" places further south and west.
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South Carolina is changing fast. I lived in Myrtle Beach for 17 years, and you would hear more NY accents than Southern most of the time. The upstate has had a large influx of Northerners in the last few years, and of course Charleston and HH have lots of transplants.
 
JP152 said:
South Carolina is changing fast. I lived in Myrtle Beach for 17 years, and you would hear more NY accents than Southern most of the time. The upstate has had a large influx of Northerners in the last few years, and of course Charleston and HH have lots of transplants.
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Outside of Atlanta and maybe Savannah, I don't really think most of Georgia has had a big influx of Northern transplants.
 
Drizzle Snizzle said:
Outside of Atlanta and maybe Savannah, I don't really think most of Georgia has had a big influx of Northern transplants.
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JP152 said:
The coastal areas have had a smaller influx I believe.
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Yeah, there are more NE transplants in HH/Bluffton than SAV though SAV attracts many NE students to the art/design college, SCAD. There are NE retirees mainly on the islands attracted by the much warmer climate and lower cost of living.
 
He may still be right but I really
Hope he isn’t lol

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I'd be worried about time of day if I was there...

Just from my experience with extremely marginal temps

I hope it works out but that's a huge red flag to me
 
jackendrickwx said:
Another L for upstate sc
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I am just going to enjoy some below average temps for awhile. All the pretty maps being posted in the Dec thread still seem to show "warm" bubbles over the Piedmont areas, especially the upstate; lows in the upper teens/ lower 20s as opposed to single digits to mid teens for everyone else; and not even a hint of frozen precipitation, but that's just who we are. If we can get some sustained below average temps for this month (and a cold Christmas) we will just have to enjoy it and call it a win. It's the best we can hope for here. We can always drive if we want to see snow. Maybe there will be another coastal this year so we can still say it snowed in SC. If not we can chase to NC, GA, AL, MS... maybe even FL panhandle.👍
 
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