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Pattern December to Remember

Here’s phase 7 & 8 during La Nina’s in December. Not overly cold at all and there is also a 10 day lag here but at least blocking develops and there’s hints on the modeling of blocking and the AO/NAO going negative or at least trending in that direction. We don’t really need to focus on cold, just focus on drivers and teleconnections that lead to cold. But I agree with Allan in that I’m not sure we’ll be locked into cold but to the same point no one knows for sure, but seasonal models haven’t exactly hinted at any long term cold…

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No CFS run has yet shown the SE ever getting sustained solid cold. The coldest I’ve yet seen is about 3 BN for RDU for the period late Dec-mid Jan with as cold as 8 BN over a 7 day period thanks largely to strong wedging tapping into the frigid cold getting to the NE. The warmest have been ~5 AN, like the latest run (0Z). The 0Z overall was one of the warmest up north, too, with near normal overall. It keeps jumping around like it almost always does.

So, the chance for strong cold anomalies is suggested by the many CFS runs to be highest up in the MW to NE in this La Ninaish pattern with the coldest runs having been as cold as 5-6 BN up there over a 3 week period from late Dec til mid Jan and the SE at the very bottom of the cold. That’s what I hope for along with good wedging to tap into that strong cold and allow for the SE to be near to a few degrees BN averaged out for the period late Dec to mid Jan, a much more winterlike pattern and much colder than early to mid Dec. I’d be quite content with that when considering where we are for the first 19 or so days of this month averaged out. That would also support a decent shot at a major icestorm especially in the Carolina CAD areas.
 
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Hey guys as promised, you know I’ve been honking Jan.15th or later for our first winter storm E of the mtns for quiet some time. However, I told you I would update this December 12th if it should be sooner or later! I am now going with LATER with a time period of January 25th~ or later. Doesn’t mean winter is over I’m just trying to narrow in on when we may start tracking something of significance (greater than 3” snow or quarter inch ice). My next update will be on Christmas Eve to look at the pattern and models to see if things should be pushed back to February 1st or later. Thanks! ?
I have my doubts
 
Hey guys as promised, you know I’ve been honking Jan.15th or later for our first winter storm E of the mtns for quiet some time. However, I told you I would update this December 12th if it should be sooner or later! I am now going with LATER with a time period of January 25th~ or later. Doesn’t mean winter is over I’m just trying to narrow in on when we may start tracking something of significance (greater than 3” snow or quarter inch ice). My next update will be on Christmas Eve to look at the pattern and models to see if things should be pushed back to February 1st or later. Thanks! ?

Why?
 
What’s your reasoning?
So I’ve looked at the year 2010 forward and how we scored our winter storms and factored in a warming climate. We really ---- the bed and got LUCKY with our little wet spell that slammed into cold air for our “big dogs”. I see what looks like MUCH drier conditions (I know it finally rained yesterday) going forward which will ultimately lower our chances of winter weather compared to recent winters by a significant margin. I do see the same as you guys on entering better phases (teleconnections) at times but I don’t see anything sticking around which will further reduce our time frames to track. I believe we are really gonna have to thread the needle this winter when we get some cooler air and the dividing lines are gonna leave many on the outside looking in. (I’m expecting 2” or less in Charlotte this winter).
 
So I’ve looked at the year 2010 forward and how we scored our winter storms and factored in a warming climate. We really ---- the bed and got LUCKY with our little wet spell that slammed into cold air for our “big dogs”. I see what looks like MUCH drier conditions (I know it finally rained yesterday) going forward which will ultimately lower our chances of winter weather compared to recent winters by a significant margin. I do see the same as you guys on entering better phases (teleconnections) at times but I don’t see anything sticking around which will further reduce our time frames to track. I believe we are really gonna have to thread the needle this winter when we get some cooler air and the dividing lines are gonna leave many on the outside looking in. (I’m expecting 2” or less in Charlotte this winter).
Weren’t we in a drought in early jan 2018 ? And we saw how that went
 
Weren’t we in a drought in early jan 2018 ? And we saw how that went
Good point. Snowy events are usually based on good patterns. While I still don’t want to get excited because I don’t see any significant signals coming for the models yet. I think that there is enough hope that I wouldn’t go as far to say that we don’t have a chance until February.
 
Good point. Snowy events are usually based on good patterns. While I still don’t want to get excited because I don’t see any significant signals coming for the models yet. I think that there is enough hope that I wouldn’t go as far to say that we don’t have a chance until February.
I feel more confident about this winter than I did last winter. No real reason why other than I think a lot of us are due.
 
Weren’t we in a drought in early jan 2018 ? And we saw how that went
Yes mod drought then but this year is a severe drought and early December. Anyway, of course I hope I’m wrong I’m just giving what I think whether people wanna hear it or not.
 
I feel more confident about this winter than I did last winter. No real reason why other than I think a lot of us are due.
I haven’t seen significant snow in so long that I’m not holding my breath as it may be too good to be true. I’m afraid that this pattern will pull the rug out from under us, and the -PNA will screw us all over. I’ve been telling myself that we’ll se models improve, but until we actually see some significant fantasy snow start to show up, I’m not confident.
 
I haven’t seen significant snow in so long that I’m not holding my breath as it may be too good to be true. I’m afraid that this pattern will pull the rug out from under us, and the -PNA will screw us all over. I’ve been telling myself that we’ll se models improve, but until we actually see some significant fantasy snow start to show up, I’m not confident.
We are in the lower 48. No reason to be confident. Only Hawaii and Alaska score now. :)
 
Snow last year and prob gonna be close to this again IMO. With regards to ice potential, the areas in darker blues on the map are the favored areas of mixing this winter. I can see it being more wintery mix over all snow for sure with some of the CAD setups! I know everyone hopes for a hell-merry Charlotte to Raleigh (that one big dog) but as we dig our graves deeper in the new world I think it’s a little foolish to forecast such weenie scenarios every winter. D9476C35-C5D3-4963-A4D7-C0DF1B0E84A6.jpeg
 
I haven’t seen significant snow in so long that I’m not holding my breath as it may be too good to be true. I’m afraid that this pattern will pull the rug out from under us, and the -PNA will screw us all over. I’ve been telling myself that we’ll se models improve, but until we actually see some significant fantasy snow start to show up, I’m not confident.
We have Brad P archive all the fantasy snow for us in a folder. 30”+ in Georgia already this winter. Your area up to 20”+ so far this winter from 5 events. Does not build confidence or anything.
 
We have Brad P archive all the fantasy snow for us in a folder. 30”+ in Georgia already this winter. Your area up to 20”+ so far this winter from 5 events. Does not build confidence or anything.
I also archive the fantasy storms into a folders. So far this is the most minimal amount of events I’ve seen over the past three years I’ve been tracking it.

 
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