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Pattern December, Make analogs relevant again

Euro more progressive with the big high, whatever that means... 1050 high just north of Minnesota at 192.
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I like the NW trend here.. lol I wonder if the Euro will collapse to Gfs idea of trough more west.. just to mess with our brains.. wouldn't be the first time.
 
Even though the maps look impressive "Ptype" the snow is not so much compared to how it looks, I'd investigate further, but I'm tired. Will try and wait for the snowfall map to finish to post. Not enough precip is my guess at face value.
 
Dang, Larry misses the first run in a long time that almost gives him an ice storm!
 
Actually to go with the above, this is a rare case where the standard 10:1 maps show less snow accumulation. So go with that one above.
 
Here is the ZR map for our deep deep south friends: (its cold enough to save you with sleet turnover after this falls I think):


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Here are the dew points (that give a good idea of temps) during the height of the precipitation for most areas, 700mb is cold, 850 splits SC in half for the first thump, takes a while to fall to around 0 on the coast to change them over. but, temperatures based on this dewpoint map show if someone ends up predominantly zr towards lower GA/SC, they could be in trouble:

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Brief snippet from WPC discussion last night

"IN THE WAKE OF THE EAST COAST LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM, MODELS SHOW GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT THE HUDSON BAY UPPER LOW WILL DRIFT EASTWARD TOWARD ONTARIO/QUEBEC. ARCTIC SURFACE FRONT, THE LEADING EDGE OF A FRIGID AIR MASS WILL IS EXPECTED TO CROSS THE MIDWEST ON CHRISTMAS DAY AND REACH THE EASTERN SEABOARD BY TUESDAY. THE GFS/ECMWF SHOW SIMILAR TIMING DIFFERENCES HERE, WITH THE GFS FASTER TO PUSH THE ARCTIC FRONT EAST RELATIVE TO MOST OTHER GUIDANCE. GIVEN THE DESCRIBED CONSIDERATIONS, THE WPC FORECAST WAS GENERALLY WEIGHTED MORE HEAVILY TOWARD THE ECMWF THAN THE GFS FOR DAYS 3-5."

"DURING THE LATTER PART OF THE MEDIUM RANGE, AS DESCRIBE ABOVE, MODELS SHOW A SOMEWHAT MORE PROGRESSIVE FLOW PATTERN TAKING HOLD, BUT WITH SOME MAINTENANCE OF A RIDGE OFF THE WEST COAST AND INTO THE ARCTIC. NEXT SIGNIFICANT SHORTWAVE LOOKS TO APPROACH THE WEST COAST TUE NIGHT/WED. MODELS HAVE SHOWN POOR CONSENSUS SURROUNDING THE EVOLUTION OF THIS FEATURE ACROSS THE WESTERN U.S., WITH A LARGE DEGREE OF RUN-TO-RUN VARIABILITY AS WELL. THUS, THE FORECAST WAS TRENDED HEAVILY TOWARD THE ECENS/NAEFS MEANS DURING DAYS 6-7. THE EVOLUTION OF THIS FEATURES WILL PLAY A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF A WAVE OF LOW PRESSURE ALONG THE STALLED ARCTIC FRONT ACROSS THE SOUTH CENTRAL U.S. BY THU AND BEYOND."

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At H5, 00Z Euro, EPS, GEFS, GEPS in good agreement through day 7.

ECMWF:
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EPS:
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GEFS:
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GEPS:
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There's a very subtle trough over the northern Rockies and Great Basin, I'm not saying these models are wrong not to see the trough there (it could certainly crop up elsewhere) but it's not easy to pull off nearly zonal flow like that from western North America to across the entire Atlantic something usually has to give
 
There's a very subtle trough over the northern Rockies and Great Basin, I'm not saying these models are wrong not to see the trough there (it could certainly crop up elsewhere) but it's not easy to pull off nearly zonal flow like that from western North America to across the entire Atlantic something usually has to give
So in other words, do you think the 00z Euro could be on to something with wintry wx in South??
 
Yea the EPS looks good, above normal snowfall on this suite is being depicted from the I-20 corridor on northward thru early January.
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Well if we are going to warm the 2nd half of January let's go out with a bang right

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It's a shame really.

On a more positive note I'm with you I really like the pattern heading into new years

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Yeah, that hour 372 storm on 6z GFS, is gonna be the ONE!
 
Yeah, that hour 372 storm on 6z GFS, is gonna be the ONE!
obvious troll is obvious

but really whos to say it might not be? Its not a bad pattern at all and its fairly cold with even more arctic cold just to the north. If you want to actually see snow this pattern isn' that bad
 
Im hoping alot on here will score soon, especially for our NC, SC friends. Oh yeah, Brent to LOL!!
 
So did we stop the trend of warmer ensemble runs with the EPS? I'm hoping the euro and EPS overall has the right idea moving forward. And I hope it KEEPS it for the next 14 days.

It looks like there's actually two windows of opportunity being thrown out by the ensembles, late next week and right after new years.
 
So did we stop the trend of warmer ensemble runs with the EPS? I'm hoping the euro and EPS overall has the right idea moving forward. And I hope it KEEPS it for the next 14 days.

It looks like there's actually two windows of opportunity being thrown out by the ensembles, late next week and right after new years.

For as bad as the GFS is...it has modeled that same idea a few times over the last few days.


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So did we stop the trend of warmer ensemble runs with the EPS? I'm hoping the euro and EPS overall has the right idea moving forward. And I hope it KEEPS it for the next 14 days.

It looks like there's actually two windows of opportunity being thrown out by the ensembles, late next week and right after new years.
If the pattern holds you are right it's probably 2 shots....

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Damn this is one heck of a high on the EPS for day 8 over SE Canada, it's pretty nuts to see there's already a stout CAD signature on the ensemble this far out over the Carolinas... If we can get the timing just right we could be staring down the barrel of an ice storm.
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If the pattern holds you are right it's probably 2 shots....

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That would almost follow suit with 2010/2011. If I’m correct. Plus or minus a few day.


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That would almost follow suit with 2010/2011. If I’m correct. Plus or minus a few day.


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Lol I would take a repeat of those two storms any day. The pattern looks good still, but I smell an ice storm for someone with this pattern as well at the moment.
 
So in other words, do you think the 00z Euro could be on to something with wintry wx in South??
Possibly we just don't know any details this far in advance, but in this kind of general look with the core of the snow in the mid Atlantic and NE US traditional CAD areas in the Carolinas and NE GA often get ice on the southern fringe esp if the high on the EPS verifies
 
Euro took a nice step in the right direction, and the ensembles still look good here. GEFS actually increased the number of big dogs here. The period for late next week into the new year is still showing a good storm signal. Just have to keep watching.
 
Looks like the 00z Euro gives Athens, GA its best chance for snow on the 30th or 31st. I hope so, given that we got left out of the last storm...
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NAM is bone dry for me. looks like a have a another shot at 3 drops of rain on my windshield like yesterday. I am all in for the CMC:weenie:
 
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