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but guys, "he knows what hes doing", "hes causing them to suffer and surrendor by blocking up their oil"
lol, makes sense this kind of crap happens on memorial day; great remembrance to those 13 lost in this war (that we know of) for absolutely no reason at all
lol, makes sense this kind of crap happens on memorial day; great remembrance to those 13 lost in this war (that we know of) for absolutely no reason at all
lexxnchloe
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100% They died for an idiot.
lexxnchloe
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Douglas Macgregor: Whatever happens next, whether we attack or we do not attack, whether we try to leave and say we were successful or not, I think we Americans are finished in the Middle East. We cannot break Iran's grip on the Persian Gulf"The country Trump promised to "bring back to the Stone Ages" now controls the Persian Gulf.
lexxnchloe
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lexxnchloe
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All said on Feb 26 before the war started and 100% accurate
People are scared of making predictions, but I'll say it.Trump doesn't want regime change in Iran, and he simply doesn't have the stomach for a protracted conflict.According to Steve Witkoff, Trump exclaimed, "I don't understand why they haven't capitulated yet." And here's the main issue: Trump just likes everything quick. Bombing the regime until it falls would take weeks, if not months.While the regime doesn't really have strong cards to play, they know this: there won't be a ground invasion of any kind, and we all know the chances of the regime falling from an air campaign alone are low.And let's be honest, what's the plan? Arming protesters while the regime is being bombed? Are the protesters supposed to topple the regime with rifles against tanks?It might work, but the chances are pretty slim.The bottom line is that the regime is willing to endure a bombing campaign rather than agree to Trump's terms, and they also know that time is on their side.Just to be clear, of course I support a bombing campaign—it will significantly weaken the regime, and even a small chance of it falling is worth it.As much as I support Trump, the fact remains that playing the long game is not his thing. I just hope he won't stop the Israelis from finishing the job.
lexxnchloe
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JHS
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Plenty on this board just do not get it or maybe they love high gas prices or whatever, but if this deal goes through things will only get much worse in many ways. It'll be the early to mid 1970's again but worse. Most on here have no clue how bad that 5-6 year period was. Long lines for gas, high prices, and a US military with extremely low morale after the disaster in Vietnam. If the Soviet Union had attacked us then they would have won easily. We were very lucky they did not. If this deal goes through with what is rumored to be in it, I do not see Iran and China making that mistake. They will team up and move on us in a few years and will win. Even if they do not, it's going to take 10 years plus for us to recover from this mess.
lexxnchloe
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I am mocking him too. there is that. When trumpy the lumpy said uncondidtional surrender he meant it, OURS!
lexxnchloe
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lexxnchloe
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Trump is a clown who thinks he is the ringmaster of the circus, performing in front of puppets. But in this whole affair, where are the Iranian people? What future is there for the thousands of prisoners awaiting death? Where are the negotiations to save these young people from execution, while the mullahs execute dozens of resistance fighters every single day
lexxnchloe
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Memorial day is now Trump surrender day
The war hawks aren’t taking this well.
JHS
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I believe it's more than that. Some straight up want Iran to win this and you are getting what you want. I hope you'll like very high gas and food prices and shortages because that's what you're going to get.
Lolololololo lo lolololololol. Go out and jump in the lake get offline people.
Iran 'will surrender uranium stockpile' in US deal
Iran has agreed to surrender its stockpile of highly enriched uranium as part of a “largely negotiated” deal to end the war, according to US sources.The deal includes an “apparent commitment” to giving up the uranium, but a concrete plan of how this would be done is expected to be established in further rounds of talks, two US officials told The New York Times.
The emerging agreement would also reopen the Strait of Hormuz without tolls during a 60-day ceasefire and allow Iran to resume unrestricted oil sales, according to a report by Axios citing a US official.
Iran would agree to clear the mines it has deployed in the waterway. Meanwhile, Washington would lift its blockade on Iranian ports and hand out sanctions waivers on Iranian oil.
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Crude does trade this evening. Any guesses as to how far down it will open?
Oil futures price is largely disconnected from reality so I wouldn't put much stock in it. Major governments around the world led by the US Treasury have been shorting the heck out of that market since early March to keep prices manageable. Actual physical oil prices are a lot higher than the futures price.
Every month this goes on adds another month to the end of the line for getting things back to normal. Even if the straight were to reopen today there's enough momentum in the markets to keep prices rising through August with the summer travel season. This isn't my reasoning it's all the major market advisors saying that. Getting the full production back online from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and UAE will take well into 2027.
Every month this goes on adds another month to the end of the line for getting things back to normal. Even if the straight were to reopen today there's enough momentum in the markets to keep prices rising through August with the summer travel season. This isn't my reasoning it's all the major market advisors saying that. Getting the full production back online from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and UAE will take well into 2027.
JHS
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If this is all that happens in the deal so far it is not as bad as I thought, but still not great.
JHS
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Well, if they want those frozen assets Trump should just resume the war send them back to the stone age. Iran does not need to get their hands on 1 dime of it.
I don't know why you people believe everything This morning was a prime example everyone saying that we had a deal and it's definitely not the truth.
ForsythSnow
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The presidential power of war used about 2/3 of what is available without congressional approval. Realistically there is no way to win a conflict like that in 20 days when 40 proved to not be effective enough in reaching goals of getting Iran to fold. Congress will fail to declare war due to popularity and midterms, so even if Trump chose to continue he would lose resources fast and throw even more lives, money, and resources away. I think people need to understand this instead of making 40 posts about how we should just nuke Iran or blow them up more because if he defied congress in war acts he would face potential impeachment with removal especially if congress flips.
JHS
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All of this is true enough, but what do we do when Iran rebuilds its military and recloses the strait WITHOUT Trump attacking them again. The world needs that strait open. They'll just ignore any nuclear agreement they make with us and will end up with a weapon before too long and may just have an extra $6 billion to do it with.
lexxnchloe
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As far as never making bad deals i think he is mistaken. 2 very recent ones would be caving to dems on DHS funding only now to see rep senators unable to fund DHS in reconciliation. Endorsing Paxton, a sure loser, When Cornyn could keep the seat. Not to mention Trump aproving flavored vapes due to massive contributions from Big Tobacco.
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Maybe I should have clairified "Iran war hawks" then.
I'm not following your repeated point that not continuing the conflict will lead to higher energy prices. This seems to go against what most people believe, at least in the short term. Do you mean long term compared to what they are now or from the start of the conflict? And if so, why?
JHS
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IF the strait gets open, I'll be wrong. Prices will not come down much but will not go up either. If Iran somehow gets to keep the strait closed with the deal, prices will go up on a LOT of things. Oil is NOT the only thing going through the strait. The other big one is fertilizer. That one will make food go way up if it is not opened up.
I’m reading both sides want to have the strait open, but the sticking point is how much control/supervision Iran would have once fully opened.
I don’t think it makes sense for Iran economically to have it closed long term. Short term, it’s a leverage ploy to get the most out of an agreement to end the conflict.
This makes sense and probably why we are seeing this constant negotiation that always flatlines at the same place. The US doesn't want a deal. They want to keep the blockade up, starve Iran until they lash out and have reasoning for more military action.
lexxnchloe
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Trump is now owned 100% by China and Iran. Surrendering to Iran and crapping on Taiwan are all the product of Trumps desire to receive the approval of the CCP.
Shaggy
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Gotta get it down so they can buy it up cheap before saying Tuesday the deal fell through and oil goes way up and makes them millions. We've seen this cycle play out over the last 6 weeks. No reason to believe this is any different.
I mean people are expecting some huge great deal from the guy who negotiated with the taliban and basically surrendered Afghanistan to them. It was a crappy deal then and its gonna be a crappy deal now too
JHS
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Oh boy, Trump is abandoning everyone. The Ukraine, the rest of Europe, Israel, and now Taiwan.