JHS
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Of course, and now we will pay dearly for it.
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ghost1
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Joe Kent nails it… he was in the inner circle when it started going down
lexxnchloe
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Trump needs to seriously consider both his legacy, and current standing, with Republicans if he continues his post-ceasefire pattern of bold red-line threats followed by repeated retreats and extensions vis-à-vis IranConservatives are a voting base forged in the aftermath of the lessons of WW2 and the Cold War, and one of the fundamental principles they believe in is peace through strengthBut what Trump has been doing lately with his repeated threats without follow through are not all that different than Obama and his red line...although this conflict isn't over yet so he can still salvage thisCurrently, I don't see any prospect of Iran agreeing to any deal that is anything other than another JCPOA...and no, Trump is not going to be able to sell that to RepublicansI concede that geopolitics are infinitely complicated and there are lots of things to consider behind the scenes regarding energy security, US interests, etc...but these were all calculations that needed to be taken into consideration before he began this warIt's also something he needed to consider before agreeing (and repeatedly extending) a ceasefire because when he did that, he moved his own goalposts. He now needs to get a good deal (that accomplished his stated objectives) or regime collapse...and neither is possible without maximum pressure on the regimeTrump’s first-term maximum-pressure campaign cratered Iran’s economy, forced the IRGC to slash proxy budgets, triggered Hezbollah layoffs and Syrian drawdowns, and paved the way for the Abraham Accords. By contrast, Obama’s JCPOA and Biden’s sanctions relief only enabled more of Tehran’s funding of terror groups and its sprint toward nuclear breakout. Only sustained strength has ever made the regime blink...anything less is simply repeating the same failed playbookAnd that will mean escalation, which is not desirable, but neither is allowing the status quo to persistNo, Iran is not winning the war...but Trump sure does seem to be doing everything possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victoryAnd if he doesn't get this right, then he'll pay dearly politically just like Joe Biden did with Afghanistan
lexxnchloe
Member
Yet again
the thing is, iran wants to hold out until the mid term elections and hopefully pressure trump into being forced to end it via congress
iran will never actually give up the nuclear ambitions. there are two ways to do this, and they both involve more active war. regime change or destruction. it's always been this way for 47 years.
they came, they conquered/killed etc. they continue to do so. these are the types who will die fighting for their religion and beliefs, happily. bowing to the enemy is not an option of theirs.
even if what trump says is all true and their entire military is decimated and they are basically doomed, the ones left will continue until they're removed one way or another. there is no "deal" that will be upheld. even if you get their signature on paper, these people murder iranian citizens for anything they seem disrespectful to their religious mission. they will do what they want, how they want, when they want.
can we be perfectly honest here? the narrative is this is all worth it so they don't get a nuclear weapon? wasn't midnight hammer so good that it made it impossible? all one has to do is realize that lie to know that everything precipitated afterwards is more beating around the bush and exaggerations.
to make it worse, as long as iran can continue to manufacture missiles, they'll be an aggressor to anyone they see trying to tell them what to do.
iran will never actually give up the nuclear ambitions. there are two ways to do this, and they both involve more active war. regime change or destruction. it's always been this way for 47 years.
they came, they conquered/killed etc. they continue to do so. these are the types who will die fighting for their religion and beliefs, happily. bowing to the enemy is not an option of theirs.
even if what trump says is all true and their entire military is decimated and they are basically doomed, the ones left will continue until they're removed one way or another. there is no "deal" that will be upheld. even if you get their signature on paper, these people murder iranian citizens for anything they seem disrespectful to their religious mission. they will do what they want, how they want, when they want.
can we be perfectly honest here? the narrative is this is all worth it so they don't get a nuclear weapon? wasn't midnight hammer so good that it made it impossible? all one has to do is realize that lie to know that everything precipitated afterwards is more beating around the bush and exaggerations.
to make it worse, as long as iran can continue to manufacture missiles, they'll be an aggressor to anyone they see trying to tell them what to do.
lexxnchloe
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lexxnchloe
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Iran has us dancing to the tune of terror. Trump will give Iran anything. This is just going to drag on and on and on. So now we are wasting time on a memorandum of understanding that will then lead to negotiations. They kicked Trumps rear end and now they are making him eat dirt.
US indicts former Cuban President Raúl Castro
The indictment comes at a tense time for US-Cuban relations. The island nation is dealing with a collapse of its energy sector due to an oil blockade following the US attack on Cuba’s oil-rich ally Venezuela in January. The Trump administration has also declared that the Cuban government presents a threat to US national security.
Sandbar
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Trump is not going to end this until he has peace on the table and I'm pretty sure the rest of the world leaders understand that he means business. Not only is the man fighting evil in the middle east, he has an even bigger battle on our own soil with the military industrial complex still buried deep inside the pentagon, CIA, FBI and all the other intelligence agencies. Keep a close eye on Tulsi Gabbard here. There are about to be some bombs dropped and not the kind that fall from aircraft. Someone was always going to have to be the A-Hole who takes the matches away from the children. I'm sure nobody had someone like Trump on their bingo card as the one to accomplish world peace but the only human who could pull it off is someone who is a disrupter. The planet can't move forward until the planet awakens to the HISTORICAL truth and that is exactly what is happening whether people ACCEPT it or not. Like I said earlier in the week, the next 60-90 days will be the most eye opening period in our lifetimes. Trump has awakened people, even the ones who despise him and hate his guts are now questioning things like never before......
Shaggy
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Oil plunges today. Any bets on how big the sell-off was just prior to the announcement?
Who knows with this administration, but I’ve read Tulsi might be on the outs.
Middle East war veteran that’s been conspicuously absent during this conflict. Kalshi odds have her as the next cabinet member out for what that’s worth.
JHS
Member
This stuff will never see the light of day. Too many powerful people want it kept hidden and they will succeed.
Follow-up: good news is no escalation expected
Raúl Castro indicted, but Trump says no 'escalation' expected with Cuba
President Donald Trump said he doesn't anticipate a further "escalation" between the United States and Cuba after the Justice Department indicted the country's former President Raúl Castro and five other Cuban nationals in connection with a thirty-year-old incident that resulted in the deaths of three Americans and a U.S. resident.The United States charged Castro with conspiring to kill American nationals in a attack against civilian pilots who were trying to rescue people fleeing Cuba on rafts, acting Attorney General Todd Blanche announced at a Wednesday news conference.
Raúl Castro indicted, but Trump says no 'escalation' expected with Cuba: Live updates
The United States indicted former Cuban President Raúl Castro. The indictment is tied to the alleged downing of two civilian planes in 1996.
www.usatoday.com
Not really keeping up with the whole thing, just watching gas prices
Mine are “ down” to 4.19$, from a high of about 4.59$ last week
Mine are “ down” to 4.19$, from a high of about 4.59$ last week
Follow-up: good news is no escalation expected
Raúl Castro indicted, but Trump says no 'escalation' expected with Cuba
President Donald Trump said he doesn't anticipate a further "escalation" between the United States and Cuba after the Justice Department indicted the country's former President Raúl Castro and five other Cuban nationals in connection with a thirty-year-old incident that resulted in the deaths of three Americans and a U.S. resident.
The United States charged Castro with conspiring to kill American nationals in a attack against civilian pilots who were trying to rescue people fleeing Cuba on rafts, acting Attorney General Todd Blanche announced at a Wednesday news conference.
Raúl Castro indicted, but Trump says no 'escalation' expected with Cuba: Live updates
The United States indicted former Cuban President Raúl Castro. The indictment is tied to the alleged downing of two civilian planes in 1996.www.usatoday.com
i'd assume the plan is for him to go into exile at his age, i think. part of me thinks he will buck back at it and not really care if he gets taken out at this point though.
Shaggy
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Pretext for going in. It's okay if they're going in after an indicted murderer right?Follow-up: good news is no escalation expected
Raúl Castro indicted, but Trump says no 'escalation' expected with Cuba
President Donald Trump said he doesn't anticipate a further "escalation" between the United States and Cuba after the Justice Department indicted the country's former President Raúl Castro and five other Cuban nationals in connection with a thirty-year-old incident that resulted in the deaths of three Americans and a U.S. resident.
The United States charged Castro with conspiring to kill American nationals in a attack against civilian pilots who were trying to rescue people fleeing Cuba on rafts, acting Attorney General Todd Blanche announced at a Wednesday news conference.
Raúl Castro indicted, but Trump says no 'escalation' expected with Cuba: Live updates
The United States indicted former Cuban President Raúl Castro. The indictment is tied to the alleged downing of two civilian planes in 1996.www.usatoday.com
Sandbar
Member
She is absent for a reason and she is playing a major role in disclosure. She is on the verge of exposing the MK Ultra program if she can manage to break through the CIA efforts to thwart her. As these legacy programs like MK Ultra and remote viewing (gateway project)get exposed and people discover the depth of the lies, this is how corrupt systems are taken down. More and more awaken every day and that's the goal of the Trump presidency.
Shaggy
Member
So with Maduro we were blowing up drug boats left and right and they were a serious national security concern.......ain't hearing much about these drug boats a ymore because they were a pretext to the Maduro raid.
There's no coincidence that the Nimmitz aircraft carrier group has entered the Caribbean at the same time Castro gets indicted.
It's all just pretext to justify the unjustifiable
US aircraft carrier arrives in Caribbean amid tensions with Cuba https://share.google/OF7iGz97El6BWnXZ9
GoDuke
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When do we go to war with the aliens?
JHS
Member
This should never have been allowed to happen. Trump never should have let up on them until they were crushed.
lexxnchloe
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JHS
Member
Agreed.
Soon. Real soon.
And this July it's been exactly 30 years since this came out. Coincidence???
These dots literally connect themselves.
Sandbar
Member
If you want the truth direct message me and I will tell you. Not posting it here because it will most likely get deleted. The information people want will be released throughout the next 3 months and through the end of the year. The really "detailed" files should start to be released at the end of this week but there are evil groups still fighting to keep this away from the people who deserve to know the truth about the history of this planet and its extraterrestrial past. It's all going to come out either way but the topic is also being ingested with lies and manipulation by the very factions that don't want it made public. It's not just the United States anymore. Japan is entering the disclosure process and so is France with others to follow. Disclosure is here. It will take some longer than others to awaken and accept this and there is nothing wrong with that. It's the biggest story of our lifetime unfolding before our eyes
For the record I didn't believe any of this either 3 years ago but once the toothpaste is out of the tube you can't put it back in.
USC Met Minor
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How many pedo's/predators have been prosecuted with the Eastern files relase??? Seems like this had bi-parbi-partisan support, and now no one seems to be talking about it 
Sandbar
Member
You can clown it all you want. It's not going to change the bomb about to be dropped on your heads.......
Fair enough (although I didn’t clown you). But if you’re so concerned about all of us, why not let us other peeps know specifically what you’re talking about? I don’t even have the faintest idea about what you’re constantly referring to and fake news/conspiracy theories/lies/made up nonsense dominate the internet. Without telling us specifics, what you’re constantly posting about doesn’t sound real. If you actually tell us, we could better decide if it sounds real.
lexxnchloe
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Sandbar
Member
I have and it got deleted multiple times. They call it conspiracy theories which is ok and understandable but that thread got shut down because of this type stuff because most people are simply not ready to accept this. If you want specific information you can DM me and ask. I am not pulling this out of my rear end. It's beginning to make it on pretty much every news network including FOX now that they are releasing the UAP files. Much of it crosses over into spiritual/religious beliefs as well and that thread got axed to. I can certainly understand the concerns from people but at this point it's honestly just about awareness. This is going to affect the lives of billions of people and we are at the beginning stages. Much of the heavy stuff regarding UAP and technology withheld from humanity is in the Epstein files as well which is the main reason they haven't released much of it. Like I said before this isn't just the USA disclosing this information. Japan and France have already come on board and I expect Russia and China to follow suit as well very soon.
ForsythSnow
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Nothing of this relates to the war, and nothing mentioned has happened at all even relevantly to what is described. By August if the world isn't massively different this will be added to the bucket of conspiracies to those who haven't dismissed it already. This thread is for war and facts only, not conspiracy.
Sandbar
Member
I disagree 100% but not for me to decide. If people want more they can DM me like I said
Russia and China blast US over indictment of former Cuban leader
It comes after the US charged Raúl Castro with murder, the latest move putting pressure on the regime.
www.bbc.com
Looks like a diplomatic showing of support for Cuba. I wasn't aware China labeled them as an ally BTW.
An argument could be made a US invasion of a Chinese "ally" could be used to justify China invading Taiwan if they chose to. I haven't read that anywhere else, just thinking out loud.
lexxnchloe
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Playing Trump like a fiddle. These arent republicans in a primary he is dealing with. These are men with Spines.