I hear you though. A more apt comparison would be the compact or midsize SUV class since that's what most EVs are. The Model 3 is the only Cruze sized vehicle on the market and you pay the Tesla tax for it.
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I hear you though. A more apt comparison would be the compact or midsize SUV class since that's what most EVs are. The Model 3 is the only Cruze sized vehicle on the market and you pay the Tesla tax for it.
I knew a guy who had near 400k on a Chevy 1500 before he finally had to the change the transmission. I'll wait until that becomes the norm and I'll definitely look at the them then.
But right now my 2011 HHR that I bought in 2020 for $4k has 140k miles and doesn't burn a drop of oil between changes.
With Alabama power rates, I'd never get close to making the difference up.
What's your price per kWh out of curiosity? For us here in SC on Santee Cooper we pay $.079 per kWh off peak which is 21 hours out of the day. Technically the same price on peak 3-6pm in summer and 6-9am in winter but there's an $8 per kW charge that hits on the day your usage is highest. It's not as bad as it sounds but we avoid charging both EVs and using the dryer during that time.
There's a neat time of use plan that knocks that down to $.042 per kWh 11pm-5am with the super off peak rate. Compared to the CRV this replaced that got 35mpg it cost around $11 to travel 100 miles and the EV is around $2 for that same 100 miles. Multiply that over a year and it's like having gas be $.25 per gallon again. It feels like cheating.
This is our combined use for a household with two EVs so it's a little funky. Multiply those numbers on the right by .079 and that's our combined cost to commute every day. Wife has around a 44 mile round trip not including extracurriculars for the kids and I'm about 100 miles round trip. So yesterday for example it cost $3.41 to charge both cars back up to 80% state of charge. The heavier usage is for full charges for one reason or another. $3.41 wouldn't even get me one way to work in my old CRV.
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The best way I've found to explain how shockingly cheap it is to run EVs is to compare how much "fuel" they use. My Equinox for example has around an 85kWh usable battery. The EPA says 1 gallon of gas is around 33kWh of energy. So the car "holds" the same amount of energy in the battery as about 2.5 gallons of gas. Now that's not exactly a 1 to 1 comparison but it's the efficiency calculation used by the EPA to help people compare by thinking in MPG for gas cars and MPGe for electrics. So in theory each "gallon" of equivalent energy I put into the battery costs me around $2.50. BUT I only need about 3 of those equivalent "gallons" to go 300+ miles because the power conversion and electric motors are so much more efficient than combustion of fuel. 3 gallons of gas will get you about 60 miles in a pickup truck or about 90 miles in the CRV I replaced.
The cost of electricity has to go way up (about the cost per kWh of those high power interstate highway DC chargers) before it's no longer cost effective. People looking at buying used cars in the $15k-$35k range have some compelling options, but I haven't yet seen anything in the EV world get much cheaper than $15k and still be a desirable car.
That doesn't even begin to factory in near zero routine maintenance costs compare to gas cars.
The cost of electricity has to go way up (about the cost per kWh of those high power interstate highway DC chargers) before it's no longer cost effective. People looking at buying used cars in the $15k-$35k range have some compelling options, but I haven't yet seen anything in the EV world get much cheaper than $15k and still be a desirable car.
That doesn't even begin to factory in near zero routine maintenance costs compare to gas cars.
It's not even May 1 yet and I'm already tired of the heat.
I think ours is between $0.11 and $0.17 a KWH based on what I've calculated in the past.
Georgia offers a Super Off-Peak "Overnight Advantage" pricing for EV owners -- we currently pay $0.022 between 11pm and 7am somewhere between $3-5 (depending on highway vs local driving) for ~300 miles of range.
Yall got any of that rain
Can't remember the last time this area over performed on anythingView attachment 195655
These trends are always the same no matter what season we're in or precip type. "Slight downward trend" "expected amounts have decreased a bit"
LOL, this area is cursed.
Played golf today for the second time this year
45 on the front
33 on the back
Canāt make it up
45 on the front
33 on the back
Canāt make it up
Brent
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I love our weather
Everything is the worst ever
You would think we've never had tornadoes before!
Maybe I'm just getting old or because I grew up in Alabama and I've seen more tornadoes happen than most of these people but I'm more annoyed at the hype than what may actually not even happen haha
Everything is the worst ever
You would think we've never had tornadoes before!
Maybe I'm just getting old or because I grew up in Alabama and I've seen more tornadoes happen than most of these people but I'm more annoyed at the hype than what may actually not even happen haha
Brent
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Hype is unreal in 2026
lol I didnāt miss a fairway on the back and was able to roll a few in. Finished the last 3 holes eagle par birdie so that didnāt hurt.Par 3 course?
VegasEagle
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is there a way to turn off the filter? if i say the word $h!t it gets ---- out. i am ignorant and have not looked but i have never had to do that before
GeorgiaGirl
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Hoping we have at least average temps in a little under a month because I have travel plans to Charleston/Edisto and although my dad is a bit of a scrooge who would like to just fossil prospect and not swim, I would, so it'd suck if it were cool.
As an aside, although I'm trying to research myself, good restaurant in Charleston proper that doesn't involve major headaches parking wise/ADA friendly?
As an aside, although I'm trying to research myself, good restaurant in Charleston proper that doesn't involve major headaches parking wise/ADA friendly?
Drizzle Snizzle
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Has it really been 15 years since the terrible tornadoes in Alabama ? I remember that day so well.
i remember getting home from school and following everything via weather underground radar and jeff master's wunderblog comment section
NoSnowATL
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Back when it would rain in Spring in the south. Good ole days
The low country beaches are going to be swampy and miserable like always. Come up to Myrtle Beach or ideally the Cape Fear region of NC and you get cooler water.
Mt. Pleasant area (Shem Creek) is probably your best bet for ADA needs. Downtown Charleston restaurants often require walking some distance from available parking.
GeorgiaGirl
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Oh, our travel plans are already decided and the hotel in the West Ashley region of Charleston booked. I just got it in my head that it would be interesting to go back to one of the SC's beaches for the first time since I was a teen months ago and never budged.
And the driver in this case HATES crowds lol. He would rather not travel at all, but if he has to, one of the places he would like to go to is the SC lowcountry for wildlife (trust me when I say this was my idea though to go to get away from daily life briefly). He spent some of his coming up years traveling to Harbor Island when it was just beginning to be developed...
I've actually not been to a Carolina beach that is north of Charleston in my lifetime. Maybe next time, but there is no way it'd be Myrtle Beach. I'm not totally like my dad (the person I'm referring to above), but Myrtle just wouldn't be my taste anyway.
Big Brother!
renting an airbnb near belhaven on the pungo river this weekend, checking out this low pressure, it has a baja low, PV press, makes me feel like it's january
it would be great if it didn't ruin saturday though
it would be great if it didn't ruin saturday though
Tracking that one for days in advance will never have an equal. I remember posting on Talkweather around 10am, "If there is ever a time the 60% tornado risk was needed, it's now."
I remember the sense of dread that just permeated that day. Even then, I don't think my mind could comprehend what would actually happen compared to what I expected.
i wasn't privy to that kind of dialogue back then, it wasn't really until that summer that i became more "in the know". irene was the first cane i remember tracking with models and not just waiting for nhc. so it was hyped to be this mega event days in advance and it actually lived up?
About the only place worth going is Ocean Lakes campground near Myrtle Beach. The very north end of Horry County called Cherry Grove is busy but less raucous than MB proper.
I'd encourage you to visit the northern SC beaches and anywhere in NC if you ever get the chance. Beaches from just north of Charleston down to Jacksonville FL are gray, muddy, and swampy with nasty hot water. North of Charleston however the Gulf Stream turns offshore and we get somewhat cooler water from the north and the beaches totally transform. Beaches of northern SC are wide and flat and go on forever it seems. The area around Cape Fear has steeper, coarse sand with big waves. Further north the coast faces south so it's a little more tranquil with beautiful blue green water from about Swansboro up to Cape Lookout. The Outer Banks are their own thing with wild horses and beautiful water on the southern end to what might as well be Massachusetts up near Kill Devil Hills and Corolla with more wild horses and water that will freeze you on July 4th depending on the year and currents.
The culture changes just as much. Lowcountry SC below Charleston still has the old culture in pockets but is majority wealthy northerners now. Myrtle Beach is a different type of wealthy northerner with more violent crime than one would think possible. NC is a mix. A lot of in state transplants at the beaches. Wilmington is what Charleston was 20 years ago.
Somewhere between Myrtle Beach and Charleston you go from "the south" to something that starts to look and sound a bit more Mid-Atlantic and gets more distinct the further north you go. Even with all the changes I still haven't found a more enjoyable region than the coastal areas from Myrtle Beach up to Delaware.
Pretty much. Talkweather still has an achieved thread(at least they did.) I highly suggest those who are interested in how the week prior and after played out to surf through it.
Ummmā¦ā¦..
Whatās wrong with gray, muddy, hot water?
It may not have a pretty color, but it feels soooo good! I love it when it exceeds 85ā¦bath water.
Brent
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Oh I was telling someone that this morning. 4/27 is still a watershed day for me even moving away 10 years ago. It was the worst case scenario in every way and yeah we knew it was gonna be bad but I never imagined. I still sometimes go back and watch the live coverage and struggle with the fact that many people could die in tornadoes this century. But as much as it sucks how many people died I mean think of how many were saved by the warnings
Also it always kind of cracks me up when people go on about our tornadoes out here(or how I was warned about it from Dallas even)... Yeah I've had some scares but I mean they wouldn't believe what happened that day. If we even have a history here even close to the same scale it was before any of us were alive for sure. Moore and El Reno were single very isolated tornadoes..
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NoSnowATL
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Boy they will love to watch me behind the wheel.
Brent
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That whole spring leading up to it had been crazy I remember several widespread wind events then you had the outbreak on April 15th which in any other year would be the one everyone remembers(me personally I had a closer scare that day than 4/27) then Raleigh had a tornado the next day.. but yeah I remember the hype and dynamics being off the charts. What was the real surprise to me and a lot of people was the morning round being so bad. I thought it was supposed to weaken a lot considering it was 4am but It did a ton of damage to the infrastructure and no doubt made the main event worse. There were even significant tornadoes in their own right and there were a lot of people with no power when the big event hit
Of course Joplin would follow less than a month later too
That's why I got so irritated when people were trying to compare this recent pattern to 2011. People have no idea how crazy it was. It wasnt just something random one day or even month. It's probably something we'll never see again
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NoSnowATL
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Ummmā¦ā¦..
Whatās wrong with gray, muddy, hot water?
Ecological soup is the name I should have used.
On the bright side, my neighbors awful invasive Asian pear trees are dropping brown leaves with the drought. Maybe they'll die.
Just read the historical impacts part of the drought monitor website, now it makes sense why its so slow to respond and seems to not register what we see
Also, I believe that thereās notable reporting lag. I donāt mean just that the map is as of 8AM of two days ago (4/28).
Note that not a single area of the SE got better on the map released today vs the map released one week ago (in addition to many areas getting worse). See the maps below. I donāt see how thatās reflecting reality.
Based on looking at rainfall reports across the SE for prior to 8AM on Tue there was moderate to heavy rainfall in portions of especially N AL to S NC during the several days prior to April 28th. Despite that, some of those counties actually got worse vs the map as of the prior weekly map. I believe that due to the time needed to gather reports that thereās reporting lag of perhaps a few days. In other words, these maps as of Tue at 8AM are in reality probably reflecting closer to, say, an average of 8AM on Saturday or whatever. Tue at 8AM is just the deadline to get reports in so they have time to compile the map for the Thu AM release. In reality, thereād be reports coming in before Tueā¦say on a Saturday for example. And then that Sat submission could have been based on a Fri or Thu observation.
Are you thinking the same way about reporting lag?
Map released one week ago:
Map released today: no improvement anywhere and worse in many spots: not realistic imhoā¦example much of my county got nearly 1ā of rain on Sunday (heaviest since March 6th), well before Tue 8AM deadline for submission, and yet my county got a worse designation!
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