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I do think this war was a mistake if the regime stays alive at the end of it. That appears increasingly unlikely as the US and Israel’s hopes that the regime would collapse into civil war after the bombs started falling looks increasingly foolhardy. But I don’t think regime change can be accomplished without 100k+ boots on the ground at this point, which isn’t going to happen.
 
I do think this war was a mistake if the regime stays alive at the end of it. That appears increasingly unlikely as the US and Israel’s hopes that the regime would collapse into civil war after the bombs started falling looks increasingly foolhardy. But I don’t think regime change can be accomplished without 100k+ boots on the ground at this point, which isn’t going to happen.
There will never be a true regime change. Look at the past to see the future. It repeats itself every ver an over.
 
There will never be a true regime change. Look at the past to see the future. It repeats itself every ver an over.
I mean Iraq for as much as it may have not been worth the cost did achieve regime change in the end. I think it’s fair to say the country is in a better place than it was under Saddam. Was it worth 15 years of occupation and thousands of American lives? Probably not.

Afghanistan, on the other hand…
 
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Finish the job. It needs to be dealt with. Easier to deal with it now rather than later. You can’t turn a blind eye to a regime that taunts death and desires ultimate nuclear technology. By then, too late and we'll have to be submissive to them. End them now
I hope Trump doesnt cave
 
I think the Trump admin misread badly how this was gonna go. Trump is desperate to avoid $4-6 gas, sinking stock market etc the summer leading into the mid terms so he has to find a way to paint the current mess a "win". Iran knows this and will use it to get all the concessions it can. In the end it will largely be all for nothing, the time to strike was several months ago when millions of Iranians were in the streets desperate for support to help overthrow the regime.
 
I think the Trump admin misread badly how this was gonna go. Trump is desperate to avoid $4-6 gas, sinking stock market etc the summer leading into the mid terms so he has to find a way to paint the current mess a "win". Iran knows this and will use it to get all the concessions it can. In the end it will largely be all for nothing, the time to strike was several months ago when millions of Iranians were in the streets desperate for support to help overthrow the regime.

I agree but for a different reason. I believe he bought the bait on a people whose desire for a revolution was overstated. If what Larry's source said is correct, if the accident of a bombed school sours opinion that quickly, that opinion wasn't strong from the get go.

I think we need to look back at why Obama didn't inflame the situation there several years ago and remove some of the flak he took. He may have read the room correctly after all.
 
I agree but for a different reason. I believe he bought the bait on a people whose desire for a revolution was overstated. If what Larry's source said is correct, if the accident of a bombed school sours opinion that quickly, that opinion wasn't strong from the get go.

I think we need to look back at why Obama didn't inflame the situation there several years ago and remove some of the flak he took. He may have read the room correctly after all.

Obama's foreign policy wasn't great, but I'm thinking that he dropped the ball more on something else that has been a game changer for a decade.

And he isn't alone, either.
 
A different reaction of talking to Iranians




What my friend said was that much fewer than the prior 80% still support the war. When it was 80%, it was almost all who hate the mullahs regime. The new number could still be 50% or whatever as he didn’t give me an estimated %. So, to clarify, he didn’t say anything like few now support it.
 
Trump must be totally desperate to end the war if this was the "present" Iran gave him. You would think Iran had bombed 12,000 targets in the US and killed most of Congress and the presidents admin. I hope Trump isnt this non-smart.

 
This is a very peculiar negotiation going on to say the least. 🤔
Its as if Iran had bombed the Hell out of us. They are the ones dictating terms



CLAIM:Trump: “We have already won the war. We destroyed Iran's entire navy and air force.”FACTS:Iran's navy and air force were a joke. Their true power remains in ballistic missiles and nuclear capabilities. Missiles:- Above-ground: Facilities have been destroyed. - Underground: Massive "missile cities" remain fully functional. Israel and the US are bombing the entrances, but they are being reopened within days. Nuclear:They still possess 460 kg of highly enriched uranium, enough for 11 nuclear bombs. These stockpiles remain untouched by current strikes. Stopping the war now would be far from a victory.
 


Non-smart Trump doesnt realize something. He claims Iran is defeated(not true). If he really thinks that then you dont negotiate, you dictate terms. Iran is the one dictating terms.
 


Non-smart Trump doesnt realize something. He claims Iran is defeated(not true). If he really thinks that then you dont negotiate, you dictate terms. Iran is the one dictating terms.


I'm starting to think the Eli David guy is an idiot. Iranian state TV is always emboldened. Wasn't they saying how they were gonna rain total destruction on the US several weeks ago if we attacked?
 
The war against foreign ballistic missles has been ongoing for a while. Its not a "new war"
Iran has had ballistic missiles forever (~40yrs). Nothing changed between then and now outside of Iran being attacked. Meanwhile Israel has nukes without ever signing the Nuclear non proliferation treaty or the Treaty on the prohibition of nuclear weapons.
 
I'm starting to think the Eli David guy is an idiot. Iranian state TV is always emboldened. Wasn't they saying how they were gonna rain total destruction on the US several weeks ago if we attacked?
He was quite happy until Trump started negotiating. Trump might not realize Iran can access our social media, tv, newspapers, and radio. Its no secret Trump is ready to make huge concessions for 4 reasons. Price of oil, bond market, stock market and mid-terms. Iran is going to squeeze him hard.
 


There are moments in history that define leaders.Moments where the decisions you make don’t just shape policy, but shape how you are remembered.For Ronald Reagan, that moment was the Berlin Wall. It stood as a symbol of fear, control, and oppression. And Reagan didn’t try to manage it or work around it. He challenged it directly, calling on Gorbachev to tear it down.What followed didn’t happen overnight, but history remembers the outcome.Right now, President Trump is facing a moment of a similar nature.This time, the “wall” isn’t made of concrete. It’s the Iranian regime — a system built on repression, sustained by force, and extended through proxies across the region. It funds terror, destabilizes entire countries, and suppresses its own people.There has already been movement. Strikes, pressure, disruption. But history doesn’t tend to remember partial measures. It remembers whether something was ultimately changed.Reagan didn’t simply weaken the Soviet Union. He saw it through until it collapsed.If this moment is to carry that kind of weight, it can’t end halfway. The objective would have to be clear: to dismantle the regime’s ability to fund and project terror, to break its grip on power, and to create the conditions for something different to emerge.Because if that happens, the ripple effects are significant. The proxies lose their backing, the region begins to stabilize, and new possibilities open up that were not realistic before.This is why this moment feels larger than a typical conflict.It carries the weight of a turning point.In that sense, it really does resemble a Berlin Wall moment.The only real question is how it will be handled — whether it will be managed, or whether it will actually be brought to an end.
 


There are moments in history that define leaders.Moments where the decisions you make don’t just shape policy, but shape how you are remembered.For Ronald Reagan, that moment was the Berlin Wall. It stood as a symbol of fear, control, and oppression. And Reagan didn’t try to manage it or work around it. He challenged it directly, calling on Gorbachev to tear it down.What followed didn’t happen overnight, but history remembers the outcome.Right now, President Trump is facing a moment of a similar nature.This time, the “wall” isn’t made of concrete. It’s the Iranian regime — a system built on repression, sustained by force, and extended through proxies across the region. It funds terror, destabilizes entire countries, and suppresses its own people.There has already been movement. Strikes, pressure, disruption. But history doesn’t tend to remember partial measures. It remembers whether something was ultimately changed.Reagan didn’t simply weaken the Soviet Union. He saw it through until it collapsed.If this moment is to carry that kind of weight, it can’t end halfway. The objective would have to be clear: to dismantle the regime’s ability to fund and project terror, to break its grip on power, and to create the conditions for something different to emerge.Because if that happens, the ripple effects are significant. The proxies lose their backing, the region begins to stabilize, and new possibilities open up that were not realistic before.This is why this moment feels larger than a typical conflict.It carries the weight of a turning point.In that sense, it really does resemble a Berlin Wall moment.The only real question is how it will be handled — whether it will be managed, or whether it will actually be brought to an end.

We need to break our alliance with Isreal.
 
Iran has had ballistic missiles forever (~40yrs). Nothing changed between then and now outside of Iran being attacked. Meanwhile Israel has nukes without ever signing the Nuclear non proliferation treaty or the Treaty on the prohibition of nuclear weapons.
Without addressing this pro/anti Israel side stuff, they never signed a nuclear treaty cause they've never officially confirmed they had nuclear capability. Of course they do and everyone knows it. But they aren't going to sign something that officially confirms it either way. Why they've never confirmed it is beyond me.

I think the French are responsible for getting them started after the Suez Crisis, but the US has turned a blind eye since the late 60's.
 
Without addressing this pro/anti Israel side stuff, they never signed a nuclear treaty cause they've never officially confirmed they had nuclear capability. Of course they do and everyone knows it. But they aren't going to sign something that officially confirms it either way. Why they've never confirmed it is beyond me.

I think the French are responsible for getting them started after the Suez Crisis, but the US has turned a blind eye since the late 60's.
Super hypocritical of them
 
He was quite happy until Trump started negotiating. Trump might not realize Iran can access our social media, tv, newspapers, and radio. Its no secret Trump is ready to make huge concessions for 4 reasons. Price of oil, bond market, stock market and mid-terms. Iran is going to squeeze him hard.

I don't dispute that, but making stupid points to support your opinion is well, still stupid.
 
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