Ha, I hadn't seen this before I posted
Ha, I hadn't seen this before I posted
This is nuts. Euro has evolved from an overrunning, to a Miller B, to almost a cold front??
Flurries at best but you folks in the other states have a great time in the winter wonder land and us bama people will keep the warm nose contain in Alabama for all to enjoy! sorry if this is banterMaybe for the front end thump, but that follow up snow/ice back side looks good so far for us in bama
Probably will have a severe thunderstorm watch issued Sunday afternoon.So euro took the south and cold trend away that fast? lol
Was thinking that earlier today. Looked almost like a frontThis is nuts. Euro has evolved from an overrunning, to a Miller B, to almost a cold front??
Only a 330 mile difference at checks notes…78 hours outGFS v/s Euro day 3...huge differences...I don't know what to thing except more models look like the Euro than the GFS
Will know by the 12z runs tomorrow
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What is it looking like for Birmingham and one County south been busy all day and now driving to work haven't had a chance to catch upMaybe for the front end thump, but that follow up snow/ice back side looks good so far for us in bama
Doesn’t the 0z models tonight ingest from the new data?Euro is off its rocker, GFS is off its rocker. Start looking at NAM and HRRR cues. I guarantee the Euro and GFS will both have shifts soon
Since we aren't going to get the Baja wave out front enough to shear and dampen the SER it seems like the only option we have to keep this more on the frozen side is to pull the upper mid west energy through then trail it with the Baja energy. Any thing else feels like a freezing rain disaster or way way nw. I just don't know if there's enough time to trend far enough to be meaningfulThe overall trend hasn't stopped here. I'd say better chance than not that it continues on. 5050 low and Montana spreading out like taffy are killin us. Hard to say what value the GFS Suite brings to the process - it seems a little worse these days compared to some other years.
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Oh, we are going to have a freezing rain disaster anyways. The GFS gives me hope for back end snow, the Euro says rain...I think we will have sleet. The location of the high and CAD strength are everything which are often very hard to forecast and require synoptic analysis.Since we aren't going to get the Baja wave out front enough to shear and dampen the SER it seems like the only option we have to keep this more on the frozen side is to pull the upper mid likewest energy through then trail it with the Baja energy. Any thing else feels like a freezing rain disaster or way way nw
Went from a snow bomb, to a sleet bomb to a FZR bomb up here in northeast georgia. Not liking these trends, I never expected it to trend this north. Euro could be wrong, but I despise trusting GFS. That SFC low developing off the coast is causing a ton of problems.Peaks of sunshine Sunday afternoon? View attachment 187188
It’s looking like a nice cold rain according to the euro, Canadian and others! Let’s pray that’s the case and the ZR goes north because we sure as shite ain’t getting snow!What is it looking like for Birmingham and one County south been busy all day and now driving to work haven't had a chance to catch up
Went from a snow bomb, to a sleet bomb to a FZR bomb up here in northeast georgia. Not liking these trends, I never expected it to trend this north. Euro could be wrong, but I despise trusting GFS. That SFC low developing off the coast is causing a ton of problems.
Great call!I’m pretty much done model hugging and moving on to prepping for an ice storm.
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No kidding!!! I miss the days of looking at the paper and hoping it was wrongThis is a big storm. No doubt! I’d have to go back to “I believe 12/2000” to remember a storm that was modeled with huge snow totals and we got a few flakes. Totally different setup than this though. 2/2014 if I remember correctly, the warm nose really overperformed, and we ended up with a lot of sleet. Still a fun storm! 12/2010 is the only storm I can remember the the models were locked in several days in advance.
As far as models go, they have messed with me for 25+ years. I have a love/hate relationship with them. As a matter of fact, the entire weather hobby is a toxic relationship. If you stick with it, you’ll see. Lol!
That is ridiculous lolSunday at 1pm in Atlanta
Euro- 59 degrees
GFS - 33 degrees
ICON - 25 degrees
I hate this hobby
the rain will help big time with our droughtWhat is it looking like for Birmingham and one County south been busy all day and now driving to work haven't had a chance to catch up
I don't think it underestimating the CAD but it is the fact the HP is weakening and the 50/50 low is retreating. The GFS was showing similar signs. I am not gunho about the ICON just yet.I really think the EURO is still underestimating the CAD here
34 degree difference between the Euro and Icon u know one of them gotta be wrong but which one is itSunday at 1pm in Atlanta
Euro- 59 degrees
GFS - 33 degrees
ICON - 25 degrees
I hate this hobby
Please explain where you are seeing the HP weakening on the GFS. I just looked at the last 4 runs of the and they all show the high virtually in the same spot over western NY and all between 1041-1043 MBI don't think it underestimating the CAD but it is the fact the HP is weakening and the 50/50 low is retreating. The GFS was showing similar signs. I am not gunho about the ICON just yet.
Exactly. People love the euro so much (including me) that they take it for gospel. It has had issues just like other models at different points. It’s not the same level of accuracy like 15 years agoonly bit of cope i got is that the euro is showing wildly different 500mb signatures from run to run and i don't think has a handle at all on this pattern for some reason. i can't isloate a trend bc there is no trend
You bring up a point that I’ve been waiting for a met to bring up. The EURO is having wild swings at H5 since last night. Do we typically put so much faith in other models that are doing that?only bit of cope i got is that the euro is showing wildly different 500mb signatures from run to run and i don't think has a handle at all on this pattern for some reason. i can't isloate a trend bc there is no trend
This whole event evolution changed...Monday we were looking at overrunning in E-W fashion and now it's a miller B coastal so we miss the front end and deal with warming from millerB and retreating high.
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It's ridiculous because the euro is probably on crack with the track of the surface low. In all the years i have watched and studied cad events, i have never once seen a surface low take the track the euro is showing through the heart of the wedge over north ga. So if it happened it would be pretty extraordinary. The more likely scenerio is it will either have to go up west of the apps or slide underneath...and if it's the later you won't see it's absurd level of wedge erosion. and if it's the former, you will see only a slow erosion..so much so that temps in the heart of cad region likely won't recover above freezing in a meaningful way until precip is over. This is from the 12z run since it's running slow on weatherbell but it's pretty much the same on the 18z.That is ridiculous lol


Exactly. People love the euro so much (including me) that they take it for gospel. It has had issues just like other models at different points. It’s not the same level of accuracy like 15 years ago


