I don’t trust Elon but here he is only echoing what corporate America is doing. Corporate America wants workers back in the office. Corporate America is forcing workers back into brick and mortar locations. Remote work is going away.
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What are you basing this on...."many of those people aren't productive"? Productivity is up with a hybrid work force. I've been hybrid for 15 years...if anything I work more hours due to that. I don't waste 90 mins a day in a car, I get to eat lunch from home and I'm healthier. The innovative companies all have hybrid work forces, the best companies on the planet.
If companies have people working remote that aren't productive then bringing them back in the office won't make them productive. You shouldn't have to babysit people. Those people should be fired. Their managers should be holding them accountable for deliverables whether they are in the office or at home. I go in the office 3 days a week...I waste 90 mins a day in the car and I go sit in my cube and do the same work I would do at home.
Sandbar
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If we are being honest, there are some jobs that are perfectly ok run from home if expectations are met by the employer. You can tell Elon comes from an engineering background and I agree with him on this when it comes to people in positions of solving problems or people in teamwork positions. Our biggest concern is that government has become a hiding place for millions of people and many of those positions aren't productive because the system is not efficiently run. Being 35 trillion in debt we have to cut the fat and unfortunately that means unemployment for a lot of people. We need them doing work that helps us as a society
"Corporate America"...you mean the wealthy like Elon. Yeah they want the worker bees in the office because they are in-secure. Great leaders of the best companies in the world allow and encourage a hybrid work schedule. I particually don't care...I was one of the few that went to the office in 2021 2-3 days a week to get out of the house but hiring engineers in IT is very difficult still and it will only get more difficult for companies that mandate 5 days in the office. It will be near impossible.
Sandbar
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Do you work for the federal government because that is what I was referring to? If you do you know exactly what I am talking about
Elon's problem is majority of Tesla needs to be in the office as they build cars so he probably fights this a lot and it pisses him off. He probably loses engineers to other companies that offer hybrid. That's why he hates work from home...it's not because he wants to save our country money, it's to benefit him. He doesn't give a shxt about anyone but himself.
LickWx
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Never forget, the wealthiest Americans pay less taxes than you do but have all the power and all the wealth. Now Trump and his cabinet of very wealthy people are in power, what makes you think they will make it more equitable? It would mean they pay more, they won’t do that…
americansfortaxfairness.org
This is old but it’s only gotten worse since then
BASED ON THEIR WEALTH GROWTH, 26 TOP BILLIONAIRES PAID AN AVERAGE INCOME TAX RATE OF JUST 4.8% OVER 6 RECENT YEARS - Americans For Tax Fairness
IRS Data from ProPublica Reveals Some of America’s Richest Paid Next to Nothing On Their ‘True Income’ in 2013-18 Twenty-six of the richest people in America paid an average federal income tax rate of just 4.8% over six years (2013-18) when the growth in their wealth is counted as income...
americansfortaxfairness.org
This is old but it’s only gotten worse since then
LickWx
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So why did you vote for Trump and Elon? They do not speak for you
Sandbar
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Sure. I guess we will see
LickWx
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Yeah and now he is given close control and influence over our labor laws!
Sandbar
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Never forget, the wealthiest Americans pay less taxes than you do but have all the power and all the wealth. Now Trump and his cabinet of very wealthy people are in power, what makes you think they will make it more equitable? It would mean they pay more, they won’t do that…
BASED ON THEIR WEALTH GROWTH, 26 TOP BILLIONAIRES PAID AN AVERAGE INCOME TAX RATE OF JUST 4.8% OVER 6 RECENT YEARS - Americans For Tax Fairness
IRS Data from ProPublica Reveals Some of America’s Richest Paid Next to Nothing On Their ‘True Income’ in 2013-18 Twenty-six of the richest people in America paid an average federal income tax rate of just 4.8% over six years (2013-18) when the growth in their wealth is counted as income...
This is old but it’s only gotten worse since then
From the tax foundation. This is 2021 but you will find roughly the same averages pretty much every year
In 2021, taxpayers with higher incomes paid much higher average income tax rates than taxpayers with lower incomes.
The bottom half of taxpayers, or taxpayers making under $46,637, faced an average income tax rate of 3.3 percent. As household income increases, average income tax rates rise. For example, taxpayers with AGI between the 10th and 5th percentiles ($169,800 and $252,840) paid an average income tax rate of 14.3 percent—four times the rate paid by taxpayers in the bottom half.
The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI of $682,577 and above) paid the highest average income tax rate of 25.93 percent—nearly eight times the rate faced by the bottom half of taxpayers.
Sandbar
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AWESOME!!!!!!!!
Shaggy
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My wife is mostly in person assessments but some days like today she has one in person and the rest are being done over the phone at home. This saves her time because she's not doing any work when she's driving from Jacksonville back to Wilmington or from Tabor city near the SC border. She will get the work done faster and then do referrals later in the day which she doesn't usually do because she spends so much time driving. If anything it's more efficient.
I think we got off point here...the orginal point was Elon doesn't need to be tweeting out multiple times a day taunting millions of federal workers that he is forcing them back to the office 5 days a week in hopes they quit. That's terrible leadership, bully behavior. And he isn't doing it to help America, he is doing this to help himself and his companies.
I agree but with the government you can't fire people apparently.
Yeah, a hybrid work schedule is by far more productive than 5 days in the office and really 5 days at home. I do see value of 2-3 days in the office, giving workers a couple of days at home, if there job allows, has many benefits.
I was WFH for 5 days from 2009-2018, I was in sales and I did travel some.....but I still went in the office 2 days a week just to get out of the house. And then from 2018 until now I am 3 days in the office and 2 days at home and it works well.
Elon is a bully and is only doing this to help himself. He doesn't give a shxt about this country.
Now that is true...they can't just fire Federal employees...it's very difficult process. It's why they have so many contractors.
Personally I would like to see them sell off a bunch of these empty federal buildings...that would make a lot more sense.
I say do both. But yeah there's a lot of buildings to be sold. I'm not convinced that unions for civil service workers is a good thing.
And I am all for mandating Federal workers in the office 2-3 days a week. But they won't quit.