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Learning Global Warming facts and fiction

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Webberweather53 said:
It would probably be also worth your time and energy to heed his advice
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Even if the world's warming, so frickin what? No scientist worth his salt considers it an existential crisis. So why turn the world upside down? Let the word be. Besides, the biggest threat to the environment has never been global warming and has always been habitat fragmentation as a result of development. Habitat fragmentation makes ecosystems far more susceptible to any changes in the climate. The Outerbanks have been eroding quickly and millions upon millions keep getting poured in every single year, that erosion is a result of natural cycles disrupted by the presence of permanent structures.
 
Webberweather53 said:
The last few comments here just echo this sentiment. You can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
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I think you need to understand that it's not a reflection of ignorance if we don't accept what you say. I know it's hard to comprehend that it is possible that some people may have valid opinions of their own that are capable of being defended credibly.
 
Lickwx said:
Even if the world's warming, so frickin what? No scientist worth his salt considers it an existential crisis. So why turn the world upside down? Let the word be. Besides, the biggest threat to the environment has never been global warming and has always been habitat fragmentation as a result of development. Habitat fragmentation makes ecosystems far more susceptible to any changes in the climate. The Outerbanks have been eroding quickly and millions upon millions keep getting poured in every single year, that erosion is a result of natural cycles disrupted by the presence of permanent structures.
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The first statement is just 1000% wrong on many levels and shows how misinformed so many here are. I sent you a link to the IPCC report as a starting place, if you're not willing to put in the time and effort to understand this, then why have a conversation about it.

So in the end, you're saying that the Outer Banks eroding is our fault multiple times over because not only of man-made climate change but urban development and human activity. Glad we agree.
 
Lickwx said:
I think you need to understand that it's not a reflection of ignorance if we don't accept what you say. I know it's hard to comprehend that it is possible that some people may have valid opinions of their own that are capable of being defended credibly.
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I'm (along with other mets here) attempting to show you evidence that could dare I say, change your beliefs, but you're not willing to do so, that in fact is ignorance. I've already said earlier in this thread that it's a lost cause to try and convince people on here of man-made climate change so you're not breaking any new ground there.
 
Webberweather53 said:
I'm (along with other mets here) attempting to show you evidence that could dare I say, change your beliefs, but you're not willing to do so, that in fact is ignorance. I've already said earlier in this thread that it's a lost cause to try and convince people on here of man-made climate change so you're not breaking any new ground there.
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That's the dumbest thing I ever heard, quite arrogant really. I dare say we have shown you causes for skepticism, yet you were not willing to consider it, so you are ignorant. See how that argument works? You entered this argument with an already haughty outlook, already convinced of the superiority of your position which clouded your vision, and disallowed you from ever possibly considering errors in your way of thinking.
 
Webberweather53 said:
The first statement is just 1000% wrong on many levels and shows how misinformed so many here are. I sent you a link to the IPCC report as a starting place, if you're not willing to put in the time and effort to understand this, then why have a conversation about it.

So in the end, you're saying that the Outer Banks eroding is our fault multiple times over because not only of man-made climate change but urban development and human activity. Glad we agree.
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Sea levels have risen the amount of thickness of a dime. Insignificant as hell, the cause for the issues on the Outerbanks have overwhelmingly been because of development.
 
Lickwx said:
That's the dumbest thing I ever heard, quite arrogant really. I dare say we have shown you causes for skepticism, yet you were not willing to consider it, so you are ignorant. See how that argument works? You entered this argument with an already haughty outlook, already convinced of the superiority of your position which clouded your vision, and disallowed you from ever possibly considering errors in your way of thinking.
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The causes from skepticism emanate mostly from self-proclaimed experts in the field of climate science and meteorology. If anyone is being skeptical here, it's actually me being as a scientist skeptical of the sources of information you use to develop your opinions on this subject, sorry but some dude's cousin he knows that supposedly has a PhD or Joe Bastardi/Roy Spencer (or insert whatever fringe scientist you'd like) doesn't count as overwhelming evidence to overturn the increasingly insurmountable mountain any new theory would have to overcome. The field has moved well beyond this point of climate change happening or not and the focus is shifting more towards adaptation and mitigation, you need to get with the program. I've got 2 degrees in atmospheric science, with one of those actually being specifically in climate science (as I studied ENSO for my MS and its past changes in the last few hundred years and understanding uncertainties in how its measured), I have every right to feel the way I do. Unlike you, I've put in the time, effort, & work it takes to get here and spent countless hours reading literature, IPCC reports (yes, those monstrous things that you've still refused to read a lick of, actually working with climate models, understanding where the science is, needs to go, etc.
 
Lickwx said:
Sea levels have risen the amount of thickness of a dime. Insignificant as hell, the cause for the issues on the Outerbanks have overwhelmingly been because of development.
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Have you ever considered that your opinion is factually and utterly wrong.

Globally-averaged sea level rises a few mm every single year. A few mm a year doesn't sound like a lot but over decades, hundreds and thousands of years, it threatens tens of millions that live near coastlines and forces them to adapt or perish. Again, that's the issue w/ AGW, it's not the actual temperatures themselves, but the rate of change that is concerning and sea level rise is accelerating due to thermal expansion of the ocean as a hydrostatic response to warming and melting land ice. (Sea ice melt actually doesn't have this effect, at least not directly, but it's indirect impacts on atmospheric circulation are undoubtedly more important and why sea ice loss is also a concern).

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level
 
Lickwx said:
That's the dumbest thing I ever heard, quite arrogant really. I dare say we have shown you causes for skepticism, yet you were not willing to consider it, so you are ignorant. See how that argument works? You entered this argument with an already haughty outlook, already convinced of the superiority of your position which clouded your vision, and disallowed you from ever possibly considering errors in your way of thinking.
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Maybe you forgot, but at one time @Webberweather53 & I were climate-change deniers/skeptics (whatever you wanna call it) but after diving deeper into the science, the more we learned, the more we realized that there is actually a lot of sound evidence supporting climate change. This change happened because we actually opened ourselves up to ideas that opposed our beliefs.
 
Webberweather53 said:
The first statement is just 1000% wrong on many levels and shows how misinformed so many here are. I sent you a link to the IPCC report as a starting place, if you're not willing to put in the time and effort to understand this, then why have a conversation about it.

So in the end, you're saying that the Outer Banks eroding is our fault multiple times over because not only of man-made climate change but urban development and human activity. Glad we agree.
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It's settled science that you can't have 1000% of anything, fyi.
 
EastAtlwx said:
Maybe you forgot, but at one time @Webberweather53 & I were climate-change deniers/skeptics (whatever you wanna call it) but after diving deeper into the science, the more we learned, the more we realized that there is actually a lot of evidence supporting climate change. This change happened because we actually opened ourselves up to ideas that opposed our beliefs.
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This ^ 1000%. A few people that have known me for a really long time probably can attest to my opinion being different several years ago (probably 2015 ish or so and earlier), but that was largely because I didn't understand CC and just regurgitated talking points my favorite politician, talking head on youtube, or fringe scientist spout and reinforced it with articles, statements, or graphs I happened to find on the internet as opposed to opening up my mind to something different and listening to what the evidence actually was. It's frustrating from both of our perspectives because we've been there/done that, and we see many people here are still stuck where we generally were several years ago, yet refuse to listen/read/or take in any evidence to the contrary.
 
Webberweather53 said:
I was obviously being facetious, my point still stands regardless of this nit-pick
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And I was being facetious in the December thread when I threw in the words "Climate Change" in an obviously satirical post, which was clearly not an invitation to open a GW discussion there.
 
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