Coronavirus (Stay on Topic)

[ForsythSnow]

Looks like it is staying civil, unless by civil you mean, don't criticize any ideas at all.

How is saying poison yourself or infect yourself on purpose a good idea?

 

[NCSNOW]

FACT CHECK: No, Trump Did Not Tell People To ‘Inject Themselves With Disinfectant’ Or ‘Drink Bleach’
By Ryan SaavedraDailyWire.com

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Left-wing activists made multiple false and misleading claims on Thursday following President Donald Trump’s White House Coronavirus Task Force press briefing in which the president commented on new scientific findings from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

The activists falsely claimed that Trump “urged Americans to inject themselves with disinfectant” and “told people to drink bleach.”

To understand Trump’s remarks, it’s important to first understand the full context of what was said at the press briefing.
Bill Bryan, Under Secretary for Science and Technology at DHS, said at the press briefing, “Our most striking observation to date is the powerful effect that solar light appears to have on killing the virus, both surfaces and in the air. We’ve seen a similar effect with both temperature and humidity as well, where increasing the temperature and humidity or both is generally less favorable to the virus.”
Bryan talked about the half-life of the coronavirus on surfaces like door handles and stainless steel surfaces, saying that when they “inject” UV rays into the mix along with high temperatures and increased humidity that the virus dies quickly.
“The virus does not survive as well in droplets of saliva, and that’s important because a lot of testing being done is not necessarily being done, number one, with the COVID-19 virus and number two, in saliva or respiratory fluids,” Bryan continued. “And thirdly, the virus dies the quickest in the presence of direct sunlight under these conditions.”

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Half-life of SARS-CoV-2 in saliva droplets:

Virus does not last long in high temperature, humidity & sunlight.


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Bryan continued by noting that DHS also tested if certain types of disinfectant could kill the coronavirus.
“We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids, and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes,” Bryan said. “Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster.”
Bryan added, “We’re also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.”
Immediately following these remarks, Trump said:

So, I’m going to ask Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing when we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.

A few moments later, ABC News reporter Jon Karl asked Bryan, “The president mentioned the idea of a cleaner, bleach and isopropyl alcohol emerging. There’s no scenario where that could be injected into a person, is there?”
“No, I’m here to talk about the finds that we had in the study,” Bryan responded. “We don’t do that within that lab at our labs.”
Trump then clarified his remarks: “It wouldn’t be through injections, you’re talking about almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big affect if it’s on a stationary object.”
Trump later raised the possibility of whether UV rays could kill the coronavirus if it was on a person’s skin, in particular if it were on their hands.
“If they’re outside, right, and their hands are exposed to the sun, will that kill it as though it were a piece of metal or something else?” Trump asked.
“I don’t want to say it will at the same rate because it’s a non-porous surface, but what we do know is that we looked at the worst case scenario and the virus lives longer on non-porous surfaces,” Bryan responded. “So porous surfaces, it doesn’t live quite as long, so in theory what you said is correct.”
Left-wing activist Chris D. Jackson wrote that Trump had “urged Americans to inject themselves with disinfectant.”

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Tonight the far left seems more upset about a report suggesting a former Treasury Secretary is advising @JoeBiden on economic policy than the fact that @realDonaldTrump urged Americans to inject themselves with disinfectant.

This is our political reality in a nutshell.

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Jake Maccoby, a former speech writer for the Obama Justice Department, wrote on Twitter that Trump had “told people to drink bleach.”

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Trump downplayed the virus then called for rebellion then told people to drink bleach, maybe it's time to stop taking his press conferences live

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[Rosie]

FACT CHECK: No, Trump Did Not Tell People To ‘Inject Themselves With Disinfectant’ Or ‘Drink Bleach’
By Ryan SaavedraDailyWire.com

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Left-wing activists made multiple false and misleading claims on Thursday following President Donald Trump’s White House Coronavirus Task Force press briefing in which the president commented on new scientific findings from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

The activists falsely claimed that Trump “urged Americans to inject themselves with disinfectant” and “told people to drink bleach.”

To understand Trump’s remarks, it’s important to first understand the full context of what was said at the press briefing.
Bill Bryan, Under Secretary for Science and Technology at DHS, said at the press briefing, “Our most striking observation to date is the powerful effect that solar light appears to have on killing the virus, both surfaces and in the air. We’ve seen a similar effect with both temperature and humidity as well, where increasing the temperature and humidity or both is generally less favorable to the virus.”
Bryan talked about the half-life of the coronavirus on surfaces like door handles and stainless steel surfaces, saying that when they “inject” UV rays into the mix along with high temperatures and increased humidity that the virus dies quickly.
“The virus does not survive as well in droplets of saliva, and that’s important because a lot of testing being done is not necessarily being done, number one, with the COVID-19 virus and number two, in saliva or respiratory fluids,” Bryan continued. “And thirdly, the virus dies the quickest in the presence of direct sunlight under these conditions.”

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Bryan continued by noting that DHS also tested if certain types of disinfectant could kill the coronavirus.
“We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids, and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes,” Bryan said. “Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster.”
Bryan added, “We’re also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.”
Immediately following these remarks, Trump said:

A few moments later, ABC News reporter Jon Karl asked Bryan, “The president mentioned the idea of a cleaner, bleach and isopropyl alcohol emerging. There’s no scenario where that could be injected into a person, is there?”
“No, I’m here to talk about the finds that we had in the study,” Bryan responded. “We don’t do that within that lab at our labs.”
Trump then clarified his remarks: “It wouldn’t be through injections, you’re talking about almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big affect if it’s on a stationary object.”
Trump later raised the possibility of whether UV rays could kill the coronavirus if it was on a person’s skin, in particular if it were on their hands.
“If they’re outside, right, and their hands are exposed to the sun, will that kill it as though it were a piece of metal or something else?” Trump asked.
“I don’t want to say it will at the same rate because it’s a non-porous surface, but what we do know is that we looked at the worst case scenario and the virus lives longer on non-porous surfaces,” Bryan responded. “So porous surfaces, it doesn’t live quite as long, so in theory what you said is correct.”
Left-wing activist Chris D. Jackson wrote that Trump had “urged Americans to inject themselves with disinfectant.”

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Jake Maccoby, a former speech writer for the Obama Justice Department, wrote on Twitter that Trump had “told people to drink bleach.”

What he said implied that disenfectants or bright light could kill the virus, should have kept his mouth shut.

 

[NCSNOW]

What he said implied that disenfectants or bright light could kill the virus, should have kept his mouth shut.

Are you saying disenfectants or bright light want kill the virus?

 

[Rosie]

Are you saying disenfectants or bright light want kill the virus?

No

 

[weatherfide]

How is saying poison yourself or infect yourself on purpose a good idea?

I thought we are talking about the sharing of ideas and opinions on this forum. Was somebody advocating poisoning themselves or others or deliberately infecting themselves or others on this forum?

 

[ForsythSnow]

I thought we are talking about the sharing of ideas and opinions on this forum. Was somebody advocating poisoning themselves or others or deliberately infecting themselves or others on this forum?

Read back some of the posts and what they were quoting and talking about then come back and re-read what you just said. Bottom line is that if we believe it's getting out of hand, stray away from that. We're 1 step from shutting this thread down because people can't control themselves.

 

[weatherfide]

I am all for shutting down the CV thread. This is a weather forum after all. It really makes no sense to have a thread devoted to this topic. Just let the political thread catch all of the discussion.

 

[Bham 99]

What he said implied that disenfectants or bright light could kill the virus, should have kept his mouth shut.

There is some research that uv light does effect sicknesses. But it's in the preliminary stage.

 

[Snow_chaser]

Yep. And this specific chart is not even complete. The whole decline he is ostensibly relying on is data that won’t even be complete for a week or two. By no means should we be making such significant decisions based on one charts *projected* outcome. Even if it’s correct it’s too early, like you said, and if it’s not then it is even more dangerous.

Exactly, the last dot before the shaded area is higher than the previous dot, thus still going higher. All of the shaded area is not certain. If this is his data showing a decline it’s understandable that he didn’t know asymptomatic people could pass on the virus.

 

[Snowfan]

New York State has 422 new deaths today.

 

[Deleted member 1449]

Are you saying disenfectants or bright light want kill the virus?

He asked if disinfectant could be injected into human bodies. He literally asked that very question. You cannot spin this any other way.

 

[superjames1992]

New York State has 422 new deaths today.

Lowest in a long time. Good news...although 422 is still disturbingly high.

I'm somewhat troubled by the high numbers of new cases coming in in Spain despite the lockdown there.

 

[pcbjr]

The brand new (current) FL data leaves much to be desired ... and 10 new ones over night in my County ...

 

[Rosie]

The brand new (current) FL data leaves much to be desired ... and 10 new ones over night in my County ...

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Ours will jump much higher I’m afraid since we opened up so much.

 

[snowlover91]

0.5 is 5X higher than the flu.


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The interesting aspect of that study is that it shows the coronavirus death rate could be much lower than it is right now (around 4% I think, .5% is much better). It is also interesting that roughly 10x more people probably have/had this than official numbers reflect in NY. That’s pretty significant imo as it means this is more widespread and less deadly (though still bad) than official numbers reflect.

 

[Dewpoint Dan]

No matter when things open up, whether is now or months from now, people are going to complain and say its too soon. Cant make everyone happy.

 

[Shaggy]

In all the back and forth debate about whether to shut down or reopen I think we lose sight of how lucky we are getting.

All this new antibody data shows the possibility that infections are as widespread as feared that led to the lockdown policies.

What was unforeseen was asymptomatic rates. This may be the biggest bullet we have dodged as a nation In all of this.

Just imagine 2.7 million more sick people in NY and what mayhem that would have caused.

 

[snowlover91]

In all the back and forth debate about whether to shut down or reopen I think we lose sight of how lucky we are getting.

All this new antibody data shows the possibility that infections are as widespread as feared that led to the lockdown policies.

What was unforeseen was asymptomatic rates. This may be the biggest bullet we have dodged as a nation In all of this.

Just imagine 2.7 million more sick people in NY and what mayhem that would have caused.

I’ve always thought since the data first came out a few months back that there were tons of mild to no symptoms cases with this virus, in every country. I imagine if Italy and other countries used the antibody testing their numbers would also be much higher. The big clue about this imo was the cruise ship where they tested everyone and there were a lot of people who tested positive with no or mild symptoms.

 

[Shaggy]

I’ve always thought since the data first came out a few months back that there were tons of mild to no symptoms cases with this virus, in every country. I imagine if Italy and other countries used the antibody testing their numbers would also be much higher. The big clue about this imo was the cruise ship where they tested everyone and there were a lot of people who tested positive with no or mild symptoms.

Yeah that was a good case study for sure. Let's hope those numbers are accurate and as we learn more those numbers hold true and that the antibodies last long enough to create some level of herd immunity.