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Arcc said:
You stopped short of telling exactly what you and the other soldiers killed in the name of?
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Thats exactly the point. Fill in the blank and we kill for it. I keep getting told God is in control. He controls it all. Maybe next time you pray to him you can ask and report back what he says to you
 
Sandbar said:
Thats exactly the point. Fill in the blank and we kill for it. I keep getting told God is in control. He controls it all. Maybe next time you pray to him you can ask and report back what he says to you
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I know what the Bible says about although there are variations with certain denominations. I’m more curious on the spiritual side of killing and about it being right or wrong for whatever reason. Were the soldiers who lined up to fight Hitler wrong or was Hitler actually right? If you shoot someone who tries to kill you or your family wrong or is the one who wants to kill you right because he thinks you have more than he. Is spiritualism at its core nothing more than like the story the man who grabbed the tiger by the tail to save his life and then tricked the Buddhist monk into holding it for him?
 
Sandbar said:
I did my research on Religion and the bible. This time I didn't just blindly "believe" because grandma told me I better. I did all I need to do to form a clearer picture of my eternal life. Spirituality on the other hand is new to me and I continue to grow every day now that I removed the blockages that were holding me back and getting in my way of healing. This is a common and growing theme among service men and women who saw combat and are sick and tired of killing in the name of........We are leaving religion in droves and thinking more spiritually. Some guys/gals get great support from friends and family, some get shunned as if trying to heal from war isn't bad enough. Now we have to relive it on TV everyday as Jews and Arabs continue to kill each other in record numbers
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This is a great post. No one should "blindly believe " ANYTHING. I don't get the impression that anyone in this thread, including the Christians have done that.

For myself, I did not grow up in a Christian household. Certainly there were Christian influences around me but I did not become a believer because someone told me too or because I just wanted it to be true. Years of study and questioning and talking yielded enough evidence that Christianity became the most convincing perspective to understand and explain life and the universe.

I agree that religion is a dangerous and difficult path. We need to be very careful making decisions based on religious practices. But in this aspect, whether you see it or not, Christianity differs from other religions. Christianity is a religion in the academic sense, but it's not supposed to be in the practical sense. Christians aren't supposed to follow a specific way of thinking and follwing of rules to gain favor by God. It's about reconciliation to God through his own sacrifice, for the good of people whose own behavior have caused a separation from God. Yes there are rules to follow, but those are not the means for reconciliation, but an outflow of the changes made within those whom have been reconciled. So you and other soldiers are wise to question and leave religion, and look deeper and outside of youselves for truth and meaning.
 
Arcc said:
I know what the Bible says about although there are variations with certain denominations. I’m more curious on the spiritual side of killing and about it being right or wrong for whatever reason. Were the soldiers who lined up to fight Hitler wrong or was Hitler actually right? If you shoot someone who tries to kill you or your family wrong or is the one who wants to kill you right because he thinks you have more than he. Is spiritualism at its core nothing more than like the story the man who grabbed the tiger by the tail to save his life and then tricked the Buddhist monk into holding it for him?
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Taking a life is wrong period. I didn't need anything but common sense to figure that out. The only thing that changed in my life was I stopped going to church (Serves no need for me personally) and I no longer use the bible as an excuse for judging or condemning people. I no longer see my creator as the god worshipped in the bible, I absolutely do not believe in hell or judgement of any kind and I do not believe your biblical god is in control of anything. Spirituality saved me before religion killed me and that's really the sum of it all
 
Sandbar said:
Taking a life is wrong period. I didn't need anything but common sense to figure that out. The only thing that changed in my life was I stopped going to church (Serves no need for me personally) and I no longer use the bible as an excuse for judging or condemning people. I no longer see my creator as the god worshipped in the bible, I absolutely do not believe in hell or judgement of any kind and I do not believe your biblical god is in control of anything. Spirituality saved me before religion killed me and that's really the sum of it all
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What denomination were you?
 
Iceagewhereartthou said:
This is a great post. No one should "blindly believe " ANYTHING. I don't get the impression that anyone in this thread, including the Christians have done that.

For myself, I did not grow up in a Christian household. Certainly there were Christian influences around me but I did not become a believer because someone told me too or because I just wanted it to be true. Years of study and questioning and talking yielded enough evidence that Christianity became the most convincing perspective to understand and explain life and the universe.

I agree that religion is a dangerous and difficult path. We need to be very careful making decisions based on religious practices. But in this aspect, whether you see it or not, Christianity differs from other religions. Christianity is a religion in the academic sense, but it's not supposed to be in the practical sense. Christians aren't supposed to follow a specific way of thinking and follwing of rules to gain favor by God. It's about reconciliation to God through his own sacrifice, for the good of people whose own behavior have caused a separation from God. Yes there are rules to follow, but those are not the means for reconciliation, but an outflow of the changes made within those whom have been reconciled. So you and other soldiers are wise to question and leave religion, and look deeper and outside of youselves for truth and meaning.
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Nobody here should take what I say personally as I don't know any of you but the Vatican is pure evil and they control Christianity. If any of you take the time to be open minded and research this you will see just how evil they really are. Stepping back and looking at the abrahamic religions it didn't take me long to see how man corrupted it. You take a long look at Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Catholicism. They all think they are right and obviously they are more than willing to wipe one another off the planet to make sure of it. Every single person that puts their faith on one of these thinks the other 3 got it all wrong. Something else that caught my attention. If you look at and compare Krishna to Jesus the story is very much the same only Krishna came long before Jesus. Jesus was a great teacher not a messiah....

I do appreciate your last sentence! You at least are willing to accept a path different from yours that leads to the exact same place
 
Sandbar said:
Taking a life is wrong period. I didn't need anything but common sense to figure that out. The only thing that changed in my life was I stopped going to church (Serves no need for me personally) and I no longer use the bible as an excuse for judging or condemning people. I no longer see my creator as the god worshipped in the bible, I absolutely do not believe in hell or judgement of any kind and I do not believe your biblical god is in control of anything. Spirituality saved me before religion killed me and that's really the sum of it all
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So I take it you are now completely non-resistant.
 
Arcc said:
To violence completely, any sort for any reason.
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Violence is unfortunately a necessary evil but I would hope you all would be against such a thing.

Now killing for survival is part of the animal kingdom we belong to. The definition of survival I'm sure will differ among many
 
Sandbar said:
I have to eat just like a Lion does. If someone evil broke into my house or threatens me on the street I have options. There is a difference between taking life when necessary versus unnecessary. Violence is a choice
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Who determines evil or necessary? I’m not trying to be obtuse but as I said last night, I’m very curious to your spiritual reasoning. For instance the US deemed vaporizing ~200k civilians with the atomic bombs necessary.
 
Sandbar said:
Violence is unfortunately a necessary evil but I would hope you all would be against such a thing.

Now killing for survival is part of the animal kingdom we belong to. The definition of survival I'm sure will differ among many
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Predators and sometimes other members of the same flock will kill the wounded or those that stand out. Was Hitler really evil then?
 
Arcc said:
Who determines evil or necessary? I’m not trying to be obtuse but as I said last night, I’m very curious to your spiritual reasoning. For instance the US deemed vaporizing ~200k civilians with the atomic bombs necessary.
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If you believe in free will then you have your answer. Since I know where you are going with this lets skip the BS. What you really want to ask me is who I think determines moral code and where I stand on judgement and punishment. Since I fully believe in reincarnation, what I believe happens at the end of this life, when I shed this avatar meat suit I am in I will have a life review. Our purpose for being here is to learn how to love unconditionally. For most that will take many lifetimes. You kill out of hate in this life perhaps you start at the bottom. That's part of the great mystery but I do not believe in hell. If there is a hell I am certainly in it now. If you research near death experiences many will tell you the things I am speaking of regarding life reviews, reincarnation, etc. My NDE came from my psychedelic treatment that pretty much saved my life. The psychedelic I took mimics the NDE but it doesn't take you as far as an actual NDE. It does however give you a clear understanding of the role consciousness plays in not only our existence but life in the universe as well
 
Sandbar said:
Yeah you would think by now that religion would fix all that but here we sit. Seems to have just gotten worse but that's life in bible world. Evil, torment, war. All sent to you by a loving diety who cares so much you get to test your faith with fear and anxiety every single day. At some point I would think you would get exhausted but I'm sure Jesus is gonna come riding over the hills any day now and take all that pain and suffering away
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I see your laughing emoji response to my comment about the brokenness of the world and Cain and Abel. I suppose you find that humorous. But, that's not a particularly good look and smacks of arrogance.

Look- I don't pretend to have all the answers. Why does God allow evil in this world? It appears He has created beings in the heavenly and earthly realms with the capability of doing good but also not. Sentient beings in this universe are allowed to make choices. And, God doesn't force all creation to follow His will. The Creator has granted beings the ability of will and choice. Why does He allow it all to continue on? Some things we may not ever know on this side of eternity. He desires His beings return to Him willingly.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

If every being in heaven and on earth followed God's will and didn't seek glory of self, destruction, and chaos, I suspect it would all be "fixed." But, that just isn't now the universe works. And, no scheme or alternate "spiritual awakening" you or anyone else can contrive will resolve it either.
 
Sandbar said:
If you believe in free will then you have your answer. Since I know where you are going with this lets skip the BS. What you really want to ask me is who I think determines moral code and where I stand on judgement and punishment. Since I fully believe in reincarnation, what I believe happens at the end of this life, when I shed this avatar meat suit I am in I will have a life review. Our purpose for being here is to learn how to love unconditionally. For most that will take many lifetimes. You kill out of hate in this life perhaps you start at the bottom. That's part of the great mystery but I do not believe in hell. If there is a hell I am certainly in it now. If you research near death experiences many will tell you the things I am speaking of regarding life reviews, reincarnation, etc. My NDE came from my psychedelic treatment that pretty much saved my life. The psychedelic I took mimics the NDE but it doesn't take you as far as an actual NDE. It does however give you a clear understanding of the role consciousness plays in not only our existence but life in the universe as well
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That is a whole lot of words that still tells me nothing about where you actually stand on things and where you get your reasoning. How does free will determine right or wrong? For instance I’m supposed to be under the control of the Vatican, yet your worldview supposedly come from a drug. Now I’m thankful whatever treatment saved your life though. Yes, there are plenty of near death experiences and some who claimed to see after death. What makes one who had a reincarnation death experience more true than someone who say went to heaven and came back? Or someone who had a “life review” or someone who claims the actually went to a literal burning hell and then were brought back? I don’t necessarily believe in near death experiences so that is where I stand on that.

What is love and hate, but chemicals in the brain? What necessary is right or wrong if we are indeed animals.
 
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